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Years back, I tried downloading Masterwork DF since it was getting a lot of attention at the time. 

Immediately on embark, the wagon (or something on it) erupted into flames, roasting some oblivious dwarves and starting an inferno that laid waste to most of the surface.  Deleted the mod and have never used major mods ever again.

I always run with the default amount, maxing dorf skills.  Doesn't seem like going above that is vitally important in most cases.  Even then I feel like the dwarves spend too much time hauling materials into the fort once it's dug.

I just ran into the game-ending open-legends script bug described here.  The embark explodes in brutal fashion a little while after loading the save, revealing all tiles, regenerating the map, etc.  Odd, since it looks like this commit fixed that problem.

Anyway, judging from the comments in the issue page and related pages, I guess this save is done for?


To help any possible future searchers: Save is massively bugged, one a certain day the entire map is revealed, including HFS.  All dug stone is changed to undug stone as if the dwarves never mined out the fortress, and all buildings on the surface collapse.  The only tiles not replaced by their original stone are those which have items or dwarves standing in them.  In short, just about the entire embark is obliterated.  This is the same thing described in this reddit post, this mantis issue, and these DFHack threads.

Probably not the most creative method, but an easy one.  Build an extremely tall stairway with a very large bridge on top.  Use burrows to send all the dwarves topside but one, who will pull the lever to the bridge.  The dwarves will be flung around, exploding into pieces on hitting the ground.  Set the lever to kill the puller too, by collapsing the stairway/bridge system atop him.

From the outside, the fortress is unbreached, with no enemies in sight.  But there are dismembered body parts coating the surface, as if a dwarf bomb went off.  It's probably one of the faster end-the-fort methods outside of just abandonment or waiting for starvation.

The wiki claims that an item dropped onto a magma flow tile from above is destroyed.  However, I've got a garbage chute that ends on a magma flow that doesn't obliterate things.  I'd carved stairs down to SMR and then channeled the stair immediately above the SMR to reveal the magma flow.  Dwarves toss items in from above the top stair.
Here's an image of a bolt tossed in and sitting on the magma flow. 

Is the wiki entry incomplete, or did I construct the chute weirdly or something?

After a bit of messing around, I found that if I introduced magma onto the flow tile from the nearby magma sea, items thrown in are being destroyed, including magma-safe items.  I guess this means that magma flows aren't destructive unless magma is present, in which case they eat even magma-safe items?  Does anybody know more?  These flows are kind of odd.

I'm guessing the old DF to Minecraft utility isn't working anymore? (looking again, it was last updated eight years ago, so I guess that answers that question)  Or are you just doing it manually for the fun of it?  If I recall, there was a tool a few years back that could export DF terrain, but not forts, into minecraft.  That might also be unsupported now, but it could be handy to gen a world copy, export the site's location, and have a nice copy of the terrain to work with.

How's the fort look compared to Armok Vision?  Better, worse, just different?  Edit: Nevermind, just noticed you said you're gonna demonstrate that in the next vid.  Will be neat to compare.

As mentioned at the wiki, there's no going back once it's been exposed to sky.

I have a half dozen custom labors set up in therapist.

When a migrant wave turns up, all it takes to process them is check for relevant skills then apply custom labors, and occasionally create a new squad.  It takes perhaps two minutes to apply 1000+ relevant labor changes across a giant migrant wave.  Categorizing the classes of dwarves in this way makes it super easy to mentally handle a 120+ dwarf settlement as well.  I'm also rather fond of the ability to mobilize the nonpeasant class all at once to blitz massive constructions and then re-disable it afterwards, a task that would be a massive waste of realtime without therapist.
After experiencing the joy of two minute realtime migrant handling, I can't ever go back to wasting nearly a half an hour per wave making haphazard changes to incoming dwarves.


And the worst part is, even after all that work, you still can't know for certain who all has what enabled at a glance; you have to either trawl the unit list for dwarves' names (if you go through the extra effort renaming one by one..) and hope you set labors correctly by name, or do some kind of awful census of every dwarf in the fort.


While I can get along without DFHack (though prospector is welcome, I hate the current pre-embark prospecting ingame), for me, no therapist means 'play something else until a release'.