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What plans you have on after update?

I think right now I mostly want to work on expanding what you can do with the 'Mana Industry' at the moment. Since that's the only unique thing the race has going for it at the moment. There was some nice suggestions in here for me to use, and I'm pondering a kind of special workshop using a Philospher's Stone as well that might be used for transmutation things... although a bit iffy on that, as I'm not sure if I should limit it to only certain things, or try and cover all the bases.

Ultimately, small fragile pets with rare/high timeout nuisance attacks might be perhaps best way to model them, given I don't think there's any that strongly under Koa's control. OTOH, they're something you summon, so MCreeper may have the right idea.

And well, it's pretty obvious by the various indicators such as that you're running dfhack. Otherwise, if you meant succubus fort, I guess you'll have to check the raws or do an impromptu worldgen.

Wasn't sure if I had or not! I had originally packed it with LNP, since I use that myself, but I didn't ask the creator of that so I decided against it...

PTW
Its been awhile but nice to see this mod going again. I may have to fire up the ole df too sometime and give the updated mod a try.

Thanks!

Toady's latest report seems the next version might be soon... we'll see I suppose!

Obviously(?), water+earth (+cinnabar?) could yield Mercury (Poison).

But that's not really an actual industry, hm, fitting though syndromes may be. 

Dwarf fortress already has plenty of overlaps in industry outputs, though one could change things around, cull, so that bone, blood, ash and gem-based industries (what's with mana being rough gem) are more versatile than stone, glass and wood ones.

But for things that are completely uncovered and potentially useful in dwarven industries....(Caveat: Just brainstorming regardless of how fitting they are.)

Spoiler: Just brainstorming that may or may not fit koakuma. In summary, material physics fuckery and expanding limited gem/animal/ash industries (click to show/hide)

1 renewable rough gems, rock crystals in particular, as the rest of them can be used as decoration and maybe craft. Maybe unnecessary with mana already being rough gem.

2 Pretty much anything based on temperature cycles. There's garbage disposals, and outside of rare frozen milk ice cream and melted, cooled and smelted gizzard stones that's pretty much it. You could have stuff like take a product, melt it to convert it into glob, and then use that for a different thing. Perhaps could be used to include liquid mana into food, potentially as a resource to cast danmaku from?

3 For final products obviously there's massive modding variety in weaponry. For closer-to-danmaku-like stuff in particular, maybe ammo that melts/boils at normal body temperature, with koakuma having slightly lower than normal body temp. Or really hot/cold ammo with koakuma being less vulnerable to their temperature. (Might need fire imp leather or other fixed-temp quivers to hold them, though.)

4  For non-weapon final products, there's no cloth items with negative mass, no real boosting of parent civ, no repairing of stuff; no pentagrams of blood; almost no animal or fish dissection, nothing which is made purely from ash or pearlash (and thus immune to melting). A very general expansion to the last would be a general transmutation thing, i.e. take gold bar and an item; produce gold item.

5 in terms of buildings: incubation, teleporting, summoning and resurrection (youkai) chambers in particular spring to mind, though cost for last ought to be massive (set to the age of a baby, maybe.). Maybe something related to honey, like wax windows or casts, due the honeybees in hell some years ago. Used perhaps as magic reagent, perhaps for healing. Eh. Perhaps something with poison, going with both the demonic nature and mercury poison idea above.

Related idea: I don't know if it is possible, but it'd be fitting for koakuma if you could tie secrets or prerequisites for things to make to scholar system. On the one hand, discoveries take years to make in it, and I'd guess based on nothing that you can't embark with someone knowing the secrets. On the other hand, a single well-learned petitioner could kinda shortcut it.

At the very least, I think the civ ought to have a bit to do with books.


Now, on to relative weaknesses, as a civ that plays like usual, expect having more opportunities, doesn't really mandate style changes...


Personally I've never pictured Koakuma wearing metal covering armour (though this is true of almost every character I know). Making using it less tenable could range from as simple as bonus healing and learning rate to dodging and malus to armor user to full-blown mismatched size with civilized races, no reactions to produce and inability to learn how to use it.


For solid weaponry, I think Koakuma uses mostly knives, with rest of stage having needles as well for supplement, though they're nonstandard knives in that it is always multiple attacks - maybe possibly combined range/melee(/ammo) weapons with high attack rate and unpenalized multiattacks. Depending on possibly clay and where you go with the industries she has, it'd might be possible to limit axes and picks only to trade and siege (and if koakuma is made smol, only accessible to, say, dwarves and humans who petition to join fort).


In terms of personality, hm. Slipping into oni territory, perhaps becoming more rowdy and brave/foolhardy the more koakumas are near? Eh, doesn't really fit. Tourist inclinations would make bit of sense, especially given Makai, but then you get armored Koakumas in sieges.

Thanks for the thoughts and such! Some of these are some pretty interesting ideas, although whenever I could figure out how to do some of them is another story. Danmaku being implemented in some way might be interesting, but danmaku is also an inherently non-lethal system designed for Gensokyo and I'm not sure how well that'd carry over to something like Dwarf Fortress. I mean, we want to see things get pulped and smashed into gorey bits yeah?

I'm not actually sure if the Secrets system even works in Fortress Mode to be honest. I do want to make the Koakuma civ deal with books more though, it just wasn't something I had immediately planned since the book-keeping industry is a bit more involved and new, so I'm still not familiar with it.

As a civ, Koakuma already has incredibly high Regeneration and Disease Resistance, but I think for them to 'get away' without using metal armor I'd probably have to mod their actual tissues to be stronger. Which I might consider, since youkai/demons are supposed to be pretty tough... on the other hand, this means undead Koakuma are even more terrifying.

PTWing this because it seems interesting. I actually opened up Bay12 immediately after replaying EoSD again, which was quite the coincidence.

Suggestions:

-With enough gems and rare materials, you could make a philosophers stone. This could grant magic powers/immortality to a user or you could use it in a workshop. My idea for what the Philosophers Stone workshop would do[Based vaguely on one of Putnam's mod ideas] is duplicate any item, with a light transaction cost, probably in mana gems. I actually think I have said philospher stone reaction for one of my incomplete mods lying around somewhere, if that would be at all helpful. I can't remember if it works correctly, though...
-Moon could perhaps do something with werecreature curses?
-Sun could instantly grow crops, maybe when combined with wood?
-Fire and water could produce a special drink that induces berserk?
-Wood and water could make something kind of like netherwood[IE: A wood with a fixed low temparature]?
-Metal and wood could make ironwood, a stronger type of wood useful for lightweight weapons or armour

I was planning to make the "capstone" of the mana industry a philospher's stone actually already! I was just unsure what to make it really do yet. I was thinking some kind of workshop based around transmutation though. A possible issue I can see is it would make a really cluttered menu depending on how many things I bother to code in that can be transmuted - which is an issue since, technically, the Stone should be capable of doing the impossible like lead into gold, so in theory you could turn anything into anything but...

I'm unsure if I can actually make anything that can mess with werecreature curses. I know I, personally, would like that because those darn werecreatures keep infecting someone I lose track of, then suddenly there's a dozen of them murdering everyone... The sun+wood idea is interesting, but I think if that was possible, it'd probably require DFHack and I'd have to figure out how DFHack works. The special drink is an interesting idea, I hadn't considered making things like that via mana industry. Not sure if inducing berserk is a good idea in the context of Fortress Mode (as I think you'd have no control over who could drink it), but maybe I could use the mana industry to make special drinks that are just valuable or something.

The wood ideas are interesting though.

Thanks for all the feedback and posts though! Sorry it took me a bit to respond to it all. I will probably hold off on any actual updates until the newest version of DF drops, because I THINK its supposed to be pretty soon from everything I've been hearing?

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Koakuma Fortress is something I've worked on and off on for some years now. This represents the newest incarnation of the project!
For the unaware, Koakuma is a minor character from the japanese danmaku game, Touhou Project. While she is probably just a singular individual in Touhou, for the purposes of this, she is now an entire race! For reasons.

Features
- New playable civ: Koakuma
+ Koakumas have inherently higher attributes (physical and mental) then other races
+ Features a unique 'mana' industry based upon the five elements: fire, water, earth, metal and wood. Also has the extra two sun and moon.
- Unable to create 'Dwarven Steel'. Former iron-producing ores now make 'pig iron' instead, which has to go through the traditional steel making process to make 'iron'. Dwarven Steel is only from dwarves!
- Due to their demonic nature, the Koakuma race is completely unable to work with cotton candy or use it in anyway at this time.

Mana Industry
For the moment, this is focused around eight 'Altar' buildings, one for each element as well as one generic altar. The basic process as of right now is as follows:
Altar of Mana produces 'unattuned' mana, which is then taken to an elemental altar to be attuned to that element. Mana gems are considered rough gems without any value and take no material to make. All the altars and jobs they offer require the alchemy labor to be done!

As of now, there is only a few uses for these though, I'm looking for suggestions on future uses.

Roadmap
- More things for the mana industry
- An alchemy industry
- There's been rumors of small, drunken little onis...

This is still heavily a WIP, but I think its playable enough as it is. Do let me know about any possible suggestions or bugs!
(Can you tell I'm bad at making a nice mod post?)

So I found an embark with 4 Towers. So, naturally, I have to give it a try. I had a basic idea to make a bunker for everyone to hide in, worse case scenario, had 4 Koas with some military skill and maces.

So zombies showed up in the Autumn. Plan goes as, well planned, civvies hide in the bunker, military tries (and utterly fails) to stop 3 zombies. So I figure I'll just wait it out and...
I realize the civvies fleeing in terror. Confused, I suddenly remember - I forgot to climb proof the bunker. So the zombies just killed everyone. Whoops. Well, I backed that up so I'll try again and remember to climb-proof the bunker this time...

If you use the autoassign DFHack thing from LNP, how does it actually decide when to let things Fish? If I try to manually assign labors, it naturally unassigns them, and I'm not sure how to make it turn someone to fishing.

Or should I just turn that hack off and do it the old fashion, manual way?

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Here is one of the reactions involving the gems.

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[REACTION:CONDENSE_MANA]
[NAME:condense mana into gem]
[BUILDING:MANA_ALTAR:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:UNATTUNED_MANA]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
And yeah the new inorganic.txt thing has the same opening lines as the normal stuff. Just changed the very first line to be matching the new txt name.

...but what about the reaction that's throwing up the error? That's where the problem is, isn't it?

Whoops I copied the wrong one, my bad.

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[REACTION:ATTUNE_FIRE_GEM]
[NAME:attune gem to fire]
[BUILDING:FIRE_ALTAR:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:ROUGH:INORGANIC:UNATTUNED_MANA:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:FIRE_ATTUNED_MANA]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]

[PRODUCT:100:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:UNATTUNED_MANA]
[REAGENT:A:1:ROUGH:INORGANIC:UNATTUNED_MANA:NONE]

Looks like maybe you're missing a NONE.

That was it, thanks! Didn't know it needed another NONE there...

Here is one of the reactions involving the gems.
[REACTION:CONDENSE_MANA]
[NAME:condense mana into gem]
[BUILDING:MANA_ALTAR:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:UNATTUNED_MANA]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
And yeah the new inorganic.txt thing has the same opening lines as the normal stuff. Just changed the very first line to be matching the new txt name.