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Originally posted by Funkadelic Jive Turkey:
<STRONG>arthos this is old news. (but thanks anyhow?) Anyway I heard that designating an outside meeting area helps sometimes, but haven't tried myself.</STRONG>
Oh sorry... I am not a regular forum visitor, I didn't knew that this was mentioned already.
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Originally posted by Sean Mirrsen:
<STRONG>Okay, objective opinion.Toady and ThreeToe focus on storytelling rather than any arbitrary gameplay. It has been stated in magazine articles, in these forums somewhere, and the recent addition of PowerGoals also supports this. A numeric system where the player is aware of the underlying game mechanincs is detrimental to storytelling, even though it can be (and often is) converted to it.
Storytelling, e.g. in storytelling-type forum RPGs is often governed by common sense rather than calculations and numeric systems, because it is easier for an average human to remember a description than any set of numbers.
Additionally, for a game of roguelike appearance, imagination of the player is one of the main points supporting the intended depth of the gameplay. Unlike numbers, descriptive adjectives and phrases favor imaginative thinking, therefore further supporting the atmosphere of the game. In whole, a numeric representation of stats is both detrimental to the DF's creators' concept of the game, and unfitting in the otherwise descriptive environment relying on imagination of the player.Dixi.</STRONG>
Okay, this means that a numerical stat system shouldn't even exist as an option {to turn it on in the .ini file} in Dwarf Fortress, even if x number of players would like to see it. Yes this is clearly objective if you think so.
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Originally posted by unclejam:
<STRONG>There's 344 bloats and a numerical stat system isn't one of them. Damn son how's that for an argument I think you just got pwned 'internet style'.</STRONG>
...and what if its not on the development list? This was a suggestion, isn't it? Perhaps you should think before you post. Oh and lease save your retarded "I think you just got pwned..." messages for yourself. Thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by Axehilt_VuP:
<STRONG>However there are plenty of other good arguments that can be used to argue why they shouldn't exist (and have been made in this thread). And the best of those arguments is that you just don't have perfect knowledge of your foes - just like you don't expect to have "godmode" line of sight in a Goblin fortress, you won't have "godmode" knowledge of each goblin's stats.</STRONG>
I inspected this thread and many posts, but I cant find a good argument against the numerical stat system. Some people posted their subjective opinions, that is all. I don't agree with any of those for example, but I am subjective also. We cannot have an objective opinion in this question.
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[ November 08, 2007: Message edited by: arthos ]
}Please dont take my words as it was rant or whining, I am just only sharing my feelings about the game. I know that there will be a point to continue playing when you have everything in your fortress, but its probably many months or even years? away.
Anyone can give me some advice that what should I do when I have a very powerful fortress already? What are you doing when you have everything what is possible in the newest version? I've already built 2 fortresses in 2 very different biomes, and both of them are huge already.
[ November 04, 2007: Message edited by: arthos ]
