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Quote from: PatrikLundell on July 12, 2022, 03:17:09 am

- Support for portals connecting non adjacent parts of the map to each other, both on the same map and to different maps. This can also support maps that wrap around (moving over the edge to the west causes you to enter the east edge of the map, resulting in a cylindrical world, or even wrap around north to south as well as east to west, resulting in a shape that doesn't exist in the real world).

Technically, that shape does exist in the real world, at least sort of - it's a torus, more commonly recognized as a Donut.

According to tv tropes, it would be a duocylinder, a thing thats impossible in 3d.
Example of 3d developable surfaces are the oloid and sphericon.

I also heard Cone and cylinder are developable surfaces, but don't know what kind of cylinder and cone.

I was thinking about life games like altis life, or games that say it will try to be hyper detailed, like star citizen or earth 2 or the failed identity rpg.

While thinking about it, I was thinking about if a society made of gamers would work, I am talking about that because gamers dont play a game 24/7, while at real life people exist 24/7 (unless they die).
The question is, is a complex real life like game even work, since their society is made of species that "do nothing" most of the day?

Then some idea came into my mind, the idea of using dwarf fortress to test this. Dwarf fortress is a very complex/detailed game and could be used to see if this society would work.

Anyway, the race would be this:
1-Like humans but with those changes:
2-If at the future there is a chance higher than 0% that at this time, during the previous 24 hours, you spent less than 21 hours sleeping, the character will automatically sleep. (this basically means you need to sleep a min of 21 hours per each consecutive 24 hours).
3-You can set yourself to sleep, at any moment at any time. And can wake up at any moment you want while sleeping as long you follow rule 1.
4-While sleeping you don't dream but can know the amount of time it passed since you slept.
5-While sleeping you dont feel pain (but the effects of being hit still happen), cold/hot and you can't hear sounds.

Basically this race emulate a human that plays a game just for 3 hours a day, everyday. But unlike most game, the player character don't log out, and stay there at the game sleeping.

Would this race be easy to create?

Sins of solar empire but its a space simulator.

An AI play as the sins of solar empire 4x players and the players control the ships those AI build.

There are many space games simulators that try to be too detailed and whateaver, but its really hard to make a really complex world with believeable ai and etc... specially with all kinds of stuff that would happen at a society with ultra long distance travel.

There is also the fact that some people complain about some space simulator sandboxes games, that according to them they become repetitive at some amount of time.

By using sins of solar empire (or another similar type of real time 4x space game), you simplify some stuff and solve many problems that happen when designing or creating a sandboxy detailed space simulator game.

The game is not repetitive because its a real time 4x battle game, you will always have something to do, either battle, visit places to conquest (while trying to escape from people that will try to kill you) and built buildings (while trying to escape people that will try to kill you). Also because its a 4x game, the ai dont need to be extremely believeable.
Also the fact the game is realtime 4x, instead of rts, means the game has more detail, the same happens for being realtime 4x instead of turn based 4x.

The irony of running a windows build of a game in a wine-like emulator/wrapper on a platform running on top of Linux (assuming android)... when there's a Linux build of the game!

But I think you'd have a hell of a time trying to get the native binary to run.

Dwarf fortrress for linux ,is for glibc (most used desktop linux one) not bionic (android one), when talking about linux you must care about standard C library, different one and you need to make the program for this library too

I made some tests at this thread.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159216.15

The way I discovered later to speed up the procress, is to search for the value at cheat engine while the map is generating it, then you quit the map generation, start to generate a map with another setting with different map size and search for this new value and then quit the map generation, you do this until the game find the values. This will allow you to edit the ram value that tell what is the map size values the map generation will be using, instead of changing the map size of the setting the map generator will pick to use, this allow you to quickly change between advanced generation settings without having to redo all the process again. And because you dont need to keep changing the advanced generation settings map size value, you wont need to redo all your settings again.

According to putnam this is possible to be easily done with DFhack, but I stopped doing those map size tests and so I never tried doing it with dfhack.



Talking about df map with earth size:

If you use walking speed and assume df tried to be sort of realistic, the df human speed is 1 tile per 9 seconds.
According to this site ( https://www.reference.com/world-view/average-human-walking-speed-8df1ec5d0858683e) walking speed is  3.1 mph, or 1.39 meters per second or 12.51 meters per 9 seconds.
So a tile could be considered 12.51, obviously if you measure tile by other means, things start to break apart.

Dividing earth area by previous found tile size gives (5.1007×10^8 km)/12.51 meters = 40770000000, so a  40770000000 * 40770000000 tiles (game tiles not world tiles) would be an earth map.
With the formula  (x*16*16*16*48=40770000000) you find that the amount world tiles would be 207367 * 207367. Converting it to the formula where amount of world tiles must be (2^x)+1, X must be integer and result must be an odd number, the result is a 262145 * 262145 map needed to have entire earth.
Also, the biggest default df map  is a 257 world, using the formula (2^x)+1=257, you find the value of X to be 8, if you appply the same formula to 262145, the value of X become 18, so assuming df add extra sizes 513, 1025[....] it would need to add 10 more extra bigger sizes to get the size of 262145 needed to have world size accordng to previous formula.

Be warned that while I did my best to balance all content.

What this means? Does this means the monsters/races aren't exactly like they are at the d&d rpg?

He should do even more than that, using magma convection currents and plate density differences to generate the tectonic plates (instead of doing random tectonic plates like everyone else), like this would was thinking about doing with his generation but quit before finishing it.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=76404.0