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Pretty sure mechanically only one of the two of them can be a wolf though.
Wait.

Didn't Euchrejack claim that they were basically untrackable (and presumably unwatchable as well)?

In that case ignore this, they could technically both be wolves together.

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Pretty sure mechanically only one of the two of them can be a wolf though.

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EUCHREJACK WAS THE LAST PERSON TO CLAIM ANYTHING.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah I haven't gone over Euchre's D2 stuff yet (still in class) but that alone makes me think he's a wolf, let alone his D1 play. An unconfirmable investigative claimed last is classic wolf behavior.

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In particular I'm not sure what the mech around Jack is because keeping track of the mech this game has been complicated.

Mind filling me in on what Jack's mech is, I'm in class so won't be able to do a deep dive for a couple hours?
He keeps saying he's Batman and claimed last today that they tracked Max to me.
NO I'M SPARTACUS

Interesting. Unless he claimed before Max that's super weak mech, whether or not the specific claim of Batman is accurate.

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Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.

Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?

I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.

IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.

FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tricmagic was the designated "mafia killing" role that web likes to put into his games.

But that is a good point, as I said I'm having trouble keeping track of all the mech because so much happened last night.

Why does mafia!Tric give up their N1 kill? Just for towncred? There's little point in that considering that players such as myself, Jim, Roden, and Max all hardread Tric as town by EOD1.

PPE:
Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.

Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?

I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.

IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.

FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
Are you implying that Tric tried to kill last night and...killed himself?

Hahahahaha
Nothing about anything I said said that Tric gave up the kill? I said that Tric's team tried to kill Jim and it got reflected back onto Tric.

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In particular I'm not sure what the mech around Jack is because keeping track of the mech this game has been complicated.

Mind filling me in on what Jack's mech is, I'm in class so won't be able to do a deep dive for a couple hours?

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Are you cool with Roden shooting Tric if you flip town? Is Jack still a concern?
Yes, though I'd obviously prefer to flip Tric first. Jack I haven't had a chance to look at yet, I've been really nonpresent these past few days and the only thing that stuck out in my mind when skimming over D2 was Tric's downright bizarre behavior around my claim.

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We also have hard evidence that things targeting Jim did, in fact, get directed to you, since Toony tried to remove Jim's miller auto but neither Jim nor I got our auto's wiped, while you claimed to lose your autos.

I'm extremely skeptical that another townie was given both a revive and a kill-only lightning rod effect, unless Toonyman is a wolf (which is basically impossible). The ability to hard-deny the wolves one of their nightkills without effort isn't something that shows up in a nine-player game.

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Good use of wowee, I approve.

I never said you didn't revive lmao, you yourself said D1 you would revive on death (assuming you weren't launched D1) and I take that at face value considering, y'know, you revived.

There's a lot of things I have no incentive to claim as a wolf this game, the fact that distributing items is a free action being chief among them. It exists so that I can use an item and give one away on the same night, but also, obviously, makes it appear like I could perform the mafia kill. Something I have, myself, acknowledged.

There's already a sensible chain of events that explains how you died last night. Prior to your claim that's actually how I thought you died, someone tried to kill Jim and because of Jim and Toony fuckery it redirected onto you.

The fact that you haven't figured out what I got off of you tells me everything I need to know about your "role". If you were what you said you'd literally already have figured out what ability that I got. The fact that you were concerned I would get a counter-ability tells me you're not what you said you were and were trying to get out ahead of bad facts should I choose to claim what I got from you.

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Blah blah metareads blah blah.

Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.

Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?

Nothing Tric says on D2 before his claim gives any indication that he actually redirected the kill. He even says this when he claims:

Mafia on the other hand has EVERY reason not to claim, because they know what happened last night.

So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.
Yes, Tric, indeed they do have every reason not to claim (at least not truthfully), and it sounds like saying so made you realize you should claim so you don't look like a wolf. He also claimed doctor yesterday and claims to still have the doctor ability but also claims to have a full kill redirect one-shot? My role's power level says hahahahahahahahaha no.

This is the post that's been bothering me though:
One issue is, we need to trust trust you to trust you. I don't. More likely you're a counter to the powers around, especially if you can just ignore redirects.
This is said after I claim that the ability I got off of Tric was a valuable one that I wouldn't be claiming, although anyone with half a brain could guess what I got if they assume everything Tric said about their role was true. It's been bugging me because for all the world it looks like a wolf trying to get out in front of bad facts. There's no reason to assume I have a role that gives me counter stuff, especially when Jim has already indicated I gave him a powerful townsided ability through our conversations, and yet Tric says it anyway.

So, Tric, what's your REAL MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROOOOOOOOOOLE? Because it's obvious to me you're not a doctor.

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PRETTY PLEASE?
Hrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm

No.

4mask needs to give reads or something man.
That requires waking up and actually engaging with people, which isn't something I like to do lmao.

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@4maskwolf: Please clarify - Did you start with an item that you gave to Jim, then get an item from Tric's death that you plan to use tonight?
Could you have used your initial item yourself?
It was my item I got from Vector's death.

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Still doesn't answer what you got from MY death. If it's themed, you have a decent chance of proving your claim.
You can either trust Jim's judgement or you can choose not to. What I got off of you is valuable enough I don't want the wolves to be able to play around it short of roleblocking me.

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...I have been informed that giving an item is technically P10 but, despite specifying who I give it to, somehow isn't targeted and thus can't be redirected?

WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO GIVE ME THE ONE YOU GAVE ME IF YOU COULD USE IT YOURSELF?

I AM A VERY BAD CHOICE FOR IT SINCE I TYPICALLY DON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO REALLY MATTER.
Because I trust you and expected to die by some fuckery last night, be it a misguided town vigilante, the mafia, a third party, or a redirected kill of some sort. For understandable reasons I wasn't going to give just anyone that item so I gave it to my top town.

This, meanwhile, is just freaking odd. Why would giving a dead man a gift save them?
Tric pls.

I said I kinda expected to die, not that I expected Jim to die.

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Okay why Jim Groovester is town in three parts.

1. Jim seemed genuinely lost on D1 as far as who to go after. Jim's been playing mafia for well long enough to know how to fake it as a wolf so the fact that he, specifically, was lost on figuring out who the wolves were is a good look.
2. Jim seemed to be having fun with his role. This is the "dumb reasons" I alluded to when I first gave a townread on Jim. Jim's play in wolf games has always seemed pretty no-nonsense wolfing so him having fun with his role seemed out of character for wolf Jim.
3 (and the most important one). Coming in second on the miller claims is a pretty big deal. Fake-claiming miller first is easy, any wolf with enough guts can go for it and will probably get believed. Fake-claiming miller third in a 9-player game is a little harder, just because it looks odder, but still fairly easy because there's enough millers to diffuse suspicion if people want to start whacking miller claims. Claiming miller second, though... much harder. If nobody else claims miller you've basically counterclaimed an actual miller if people get suspicious of the miller claims (which is a pretty pointless counterclaim). In general, the only time the wolves like to the second to claim something is if they're hard-counterclaiming when going for the win, and even then they prefer to claim first. There's just an inherent suspicion to claiming second that wolves like to avoid if at all possible, and I don't think Jim casually walks into that suspicion when nobody is pushing him in the first place.

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