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Quote from: webadict on March 11, 2021, 06:21:15 pm

Quote from: Luckyowl on March 11, 2021, 06:11:10 pm

To be honest. I just hadn't have enough time to be active and the time I do have for myself I usually be with my people or playing games. So I am sorry, if my lack of activity seemed scummy. But life, man.

I honestly wanted to get lynched eariler because it would've easily make Web or ToonyMan scummy. My intuition told me that Web was the mafia when he tried to defend Vector. I'm not sure why no one saw that. But this is what I mean when town should outguess the mafia.  Anyone who is trying to be perfect town is scummy. A real town player is unsure and are more likely delve into wild theories or make little mistakes here and there.

It's not always about what you feel is right. It's about what you can convince others about what is right. In that way, Mafia is a game about the perception of perceptions. Whose perceptions are fundamentally flawed because they are Mafia, and who can you get to perceive them as Mafia as well?  If you can't convince people you're right, then it doesn't really matter if you are or aren't.

Yeah, you're right on that. I think it's my unwillingness to build massive cased as those can be drainning to do. Instead I prefer to give my opinion on the game. But the problem with that is what you said. It's not convincing. At the end. You were able to get people to overlook your odd defensive case on why Vector is town no matter what because I was too lazy to go in depth on why it looked so scummy. How your whole case against me throughout the game felt force and ridiclous. Honestly the best move was too lynch me on day 1. So I wouldn't have brought back a demon and it would've made you and ToonyMan look scummy.

There's a cheat you can use to get around making massive, tiring cases on people.

Personally address your towncore. Make a smaller, concise case and directly ask people you think are townie to engage with it. Look at what NQT did at EoD 1 in BYOR 15. There simply wasn't enough Leafsnail content to build some kind of airtight, unbreakable case on him, but NQT still thought he was wolfy, so what did he do? He started talking to people directly. If you were present in the thread, he would address you directly to plead his case to you. And it worked, too, it created a wagon big enough the wolves started getting nervous. By directly addressing people, you can turn a general case that people will walk past and ignore into a personal case they're directly involved in.

It's a useful trick for wolves, too, even if the only purpose of doing it is to screw with Toonyman for no practical value.

Did Caz get Tric's dreams twice in a row? That's the only possibility for N1 and N2 since everybody else had actions or was dead. That's so unlucky...

Icy received nothing on N2 but yeah, super unlucky.

Devil feels like a role that needs to be phased out. It's interesting but the town knows how it works now and is too clever to take the devils bargain. Hell this game I suggested a breaking strategy for it that deprives the devil of victory while still giving power to the first person the devil targets.

Honestly the third parties in general could probably use a shake-up just as badly, if not more so, than the wolf teams.

As a reader after I was dead, I did find it very puzzling how everyone just accepted that Web had cleared Vector, as if Vector needed clearing or that that was something he could do or would have made sense for him to do if he could do. What was I missing? Also ICT and Vector had contradicting claims but both were town, what was the misunderstanding?

Icy and Vector weren't contradictory, just esoteric mechanics and mod error. Devils don't leave bodies, and thus lack graves, but can be contacted by warlocks regardless. The next one was mod error to not send Icy his PM.

I'm just going to have to policy lynch you in all future games.

-sad 4mask noises-

I knew we were doomed when Lucky flipped town.  I had Web in mind last night as the Convert, but I guess he played us too hard to think him DM.  Well damn!


Good game scum team, and props to 4mask for his audacious claim.

Funny story about this: webadict's claim was weaker than it could have been, because he planned to claim to have tracked Vector to blue N1 before Vector actually claimed it but didn't get a chance to post until after Vector had claimed.

Good game town!

I would have been content to sit on that fakeclaim until game end but nooooooooo, I had to get converted N1.

Quote from: Reverie on March 10, 2021, 07:48:01 am

I just got into Gnosia myself and it puts me on the fence about playing here for a while :p

Idk if 4maskwolf is still running their game, but Magic Mafia MM is coming up soon. Would recommend.

Oh god right I should be setting that up.

Magic Mafia can go first.