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But seriously, the point is we are perfectly capable of producing enough basic necessities for everyone on the planet efficiently enough not to endanger the environment.  But to do so would be threatening to our existing power structures, which rely on a certain amount of desperation to function as they do, and will never give up on cutting corners regarding environmental concerns to maximize profits until we're willing to literally start banging on some doors with pitchforks and guillotines in hand.
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So, under your proposed model, how would a company like Netflix function?

Say that I live in a worker utopia, and want to watch a movie at home. Currently, I would have an EULA on my computer locking the wealth made from that device into the hands of the company that owns it. I have the subscription I pay to another company that supplies my internet line. Then I have another license I pay separately to Netflix to access their particular library of works. Netflix itself separately pays the rightsholders of the movies I watch for the right to offer those to me. Those companies might pay royalties to the writers of the work it was based upon, the license fees for the music created or adapted for that work, and a bunch of other stuff.

If the concept of rent-seeking and private property isn't legal, who would ever go through the veritable mountain of work it would take to duplicate the above? Take the profit incentive away, and nobody's gonna go putting in the effort to offer me stuff without the hope they can gouge me for my cash doing so.

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Workers controlling the means of production hardly means anything when the factory machinery runs on proprietary software licensed under an EULA, the goods they produce are subject to patented copyright protection, and profitability is bounded by rental lease agreements and utility fees that have built in scaling increases based on business profits.

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You're also ignoring that most of the police who are shot, are shot by other police officers. It turns out when you give people with poor impulse control steroids, a gun, and free reign, they aren't careful.
Interesting! Source?

So, 55 actual murders of police officers, out of 686665 means a murder rate conveniently close to 8.0 / 100,000. Now that's not actually much more than the average murder rate of the USA in general, which is 5.0 / 100,000. And it's a lot less than the average murder rate of dozens of US cities in general.

Also note your 1/20000 figure turned out to be a bit low. And it's just the average murder rate for Americans of all types. So if cops had that murder rate it would mean they're a safe profession, since murders of them would be at "background" rates.
Those are some great stats, thanks! It's interesting to see how different the numbers become when using different sources of information. As a wise man once said, 'the two greatest liars are politicians and statisticians.'

While the numbers using these are therefore lower, it still shows a cop is nearly twice as likely to be murdered as a civilian, and this is even given that they wear protective equipment and have training to specifically avoid this outcome. I think my original point still stands up to scrutiny as to how this could serve as a motivation for the patterns of behavior we see in law enforcement officers in the USA.

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General Discussion / Re: Drunk Thread -(Awesome Thread)-
« on: June 04, 2020, 05:49:17 am »
You also gotta remember, wineries are big business, especially for the landed wealthy. Australian wine exports make a lot of cash for some very powerful people, far more than beer or spirits. Wine is a 'luxury item' with the attendant profit margins to match.

If the government increased taxes on them, they'd be stepping on some very wealthy toes in the process.

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General Discussion / Re: Drunk Thread -(Awesome Thread)-
« on: June 04, 2020, 05:37:20 am »
Check the packaging (yes, I'm admitting to buying it). It's listed as a wine on the label, even though it's sold in plastic soft drink bottles. Thus, bypassing the bloody ridiculous taxes us aussies pay for beer, cider, spirits and pre-mix.

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I personally see value in creating a society that doesn't have universal access to lethal force. I'd suggest that this could allow the focus of police interactions with the public to move away from a cop fearing for their life and responding with overwhelming force as an opening tactic to secure their safety. Without the threat of having their interaction potentially turn into an armed conflict, violent police behavior should rightfully be seen as an abhorrent act without justifiable cause.

Today, their focus is neutralizing resistance as quickly as possible to avoid violent armed retaliation. I'd hope in the future, without that mindset pervading the training and procedures used by police, it could be transformed into open dialogue and deescalation.

I agree with martinuzz, that it doesn't justify police brutality. But it does go a long way to explaining why police respond with excessive force as an opening tactic.

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General Discussion / Re: Drunk Thread -(Awesome Thread)-
« on: June 04, 2020, 05:06:30 am »
Here in kangaroo land, the alcohol taxes mean that our local bottle shops sell a 'wine' called Little Fat Lamb, which has a similar reputation as Four Loko. Namely, being cheap, high ABV, and tasting like soft drink and bad choices.

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Cool, thanks for fixing my mistake!

So that would make the odds of a cop being killed by gunshot about 1/20,000 per year.

I mean, I kinda wonder how much that would change if gun control were tighter in the USA. It's kind of hard to shoot someone if you can't get a gun.

Then the war on drugs could become the war on guns! Everyone wins!

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I dare say there's a point to be made somewhere in all this about companies who manufacture military equipment seeking to expand their market into the civilian police sector.

They're not, though. Cops face less gun violence than a whole host of professions, including some that aren't very dangerous at all. Cops aren't getting in gunfights with people and winning. They're just murdering people who mostly can't fight back.

That's why I support gun control, but only for cops. They're the ones who have proven they can't be trusted.
Interesting statistics regarding police!

This site lists 1,070 police killed by gunfire between 2000 and 2020.

This wikipedia article estimates the frequency of justifiable homicide by police in the line of duty (a.k.a. shooting people dead) as roughly 1,000 per year.

According to this article, there's a little less than 18,000 police in the USA. So if we compare the statistics...

If you live in the USA, your odds of being shot by police are about 1/328,000 per year.

If you're a cop in the USA, your odds of being shot in the line of duty are about 1/360 per year.

Did I do the math right here? Seems pretty skewed towards cops getting gunned down.

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To play devil's advocate, I'd point out that police in the US face a rather unique situation, in that so much of the general population is armed with lethal weaponry. Over here in kangaroo land, nobody owns guns, barring those that use them for agricultural purposes or sport. We've got fairly strict gun control laws. Your average cop doesn't need to be worried about getting shot when they pull someone over.

In the US, they face the constant risk of gun violence. Thus, they're trained to deal with that, which is essentially military training. Little wonder they act like it.

Perhaps if people weren't allowed to own guns in the US, there'd be less violence? Training time spent on avoiding getting shot could be spent on deescalation techniques?

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General Discussion / Re: Drunk Thread -(Awesome Thread)-
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:39:30 am »
Brought to you by the half bottle of sav blanc left over from dinner and an evening of mashups from YouTube.

Sweet Fat Bottomed Alabama

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I've always found that curious. Most European countries have "duty to aid" laws
I've always found this a curious loophole too.

Personally, as a trained First Aid provider, we're taught about legal liability. Essentially, in my country of kangaroo land, if you see someone wounded on the ground, you can politely step over their body and whistle a jaunty tune as you stroll into the sunset. However, if you have training and stop to provide aid, you're liable to be sued if you stop unless physically incapable of continuing, even should said person be cadaverlicious.

Therefore, the strategically and legally tactical maneuver is to ignore everything around you, especially as it pertains to wounded bystanders.

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General Discussion / Re: Gardening with herbs!
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:24:28 am »
I use planter boxes for my herbs. Anything that doesn't look like the surrounding organisms is treated with extreme prejudice. Think white cop on a black man kind of aggression. Purity of breed to the exclusion of all reason.

Then, when the crop is ripe, the culling.

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I recommend we keep the capitalist tire-fire model of government running until AI sufficiently develops to the point where our benevolent artificial intelligence overlords seize control and engender a utopia of human paradise or extinguish all organic life.

Failing that, I just hope my children aren't fated to suffer life in a time of history that forces the common populace to dance to the whims of the few born into dynastic wealth. Of course, both ancient history, modern history, and current status quo mock my hopes and spit upon my dreams.

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