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MyOwnWorstEnemy

Quote from: MyOwnWorstEnemy on February 26, 2014, 10:05:13 pm

Mastahcheese:
I think it's quite suspicious that TDS was night killed and he didn't seem like a threat to the scum. I think that's a big thing. It makes me wonder.
As for him not having any reads on anyone, it's understandable. D1 for me is just mass confusion.

Would you care to explain exactly what it is that you're wondering about? What conclusions does it lead you too?
Also, you seem to have failed to notice that I didn't give you a question in the post where I asked everyone a question. In fact, Wolf even mentioned this, and you still don't seem to notice! Are you reading everything, or just the stuff with your name attached?
This isn't the first time I've pointed out your lack of observation.

Quote from: mastahcheese on February 22, 2014, 11:19:43 am

MyOwnWorstEnemy

Quote from: MyOwnWorstEnemy on February 21, 2014, 12:16:10 pm

Mastahcheese:

Quote from: mastahcheese on February 19, 2014, 11:50:10 pm

MyOwnWorstEnemy: You're a Union Soldier, and someone is going after you, despite not having real evidence, yet people are still agreeing with them. What do you do? And why?

I'd point out the flaws in my attacker's logic and go after them.

Good answer, but you failed to state why. How much attention are you really paying here?

So tell me again, MOWE, how much attention are you really paying here? Or do you already know all the answers you need?

I'm wondering about wtf is up here. Only one kill last night with three people with the ability to kill. "It makes me wonder" for me is basically saying its suspicious to me. It makes me wonder what's up.

As for your question, I answered it a long time ago, Mastahcheese. Just how much attention are you paying my friend?

Quote from: mastahcheese on February 22, 2014, 11:19:43 am

MyOwnWorstEnemy

Quote from: MyOwnWorstEnemy on February 21, 2014, 12:16:10 pm

Mastahcheese:

Quote from: mastahcheese on February 19, 2014, 11:50:10 pm

MyOwnWorstEnemy: You're a Union Soldier, and someone is going after you, despite not having real evidence, yet people are still agreeing with them. What do you do? And why?

I'd point out the flaws in my attacker's logic and go after them.

Good answer, but you failed to state why. How much attention are you really paying here?

Apparently not enough to notice the "why" tagged on the end. Sorry about that. I'd point out their flaws in logic and attack them for it because that's how I feel one should react in that situation and that's how I feel I would react. When someone's convincing the others to go after you with no evidence, you do your best to prove to the others that they have no evidence. It just seems logical to me.

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Wolf:

MOWE IS BACK!!!!!

...Is that sarcasm or do I really invoke excitement after returning from my great adventure of...two days?

I'll go back and answer all the stuff that seems relevant to now. If I miss something, just let me know. I'm loaded with homework and trying to get at least something in.

Tiruin:

Everyone else: Do you seriously believe that today should be spent in debate and all? What if the scumteam knows how to circumnavigate the usual 'scumtells' and play easy? As in, play on the aggressive?
How do you treat scumtells when done by a player who has a reputation of being scummy? How do you treat analysis from a player who has a reputation of being 'good' at hiding scumtells?[/b]

Well I think D1 can be a bunch of debate. What else could it be? Lies are easy to keep to in the beginning, but are hard to maintain over time. Here's where we begin testing the mettle of the scum and seeing how good they are at acting. There is no such thing as perfect. The scumteam may know how to avoid most scumtells, but odds are they'll slip up somewhere.
Scummy players also have a norm I would guess. Even if they're scummy as town, I'd expect the scumminess when they're actually scum to be quite different. If they're good at hiding scumtells, well like I said, they have to slip up sometime.

Mehve/MOWE

Quote from: MyOwnWorstEnemy on February 21, 2014, 11:15:22 pm

Tiruin:
You've been active on the forum, but not here. Any particular reason why?

Mostly personal organization. What hit me from not posting here (as well as more prioritized threads like my own BM and other stuffs) was my emotional state. It was...not good. However I will state in all honesty and be open to all scrutiny when I say that I was not intentionally staying away from this thread (I mean, wow. A whole mafia day. x__x Goodness.)

...So no particular reason why, which is directly related to Mafia.

What's the "Mehve" about?

And I think RL and having your own priorities are particular reasons. I hope things get better for you! 

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Mastahcheese:

Everyone who has cast their vote: I want you to please restate why you are voting the person you are voting, and don't quote yourself from an earlier time.

I'm not sure if you still want an answer, but I'll give one anyway. I voted IG because he seemed like the scummiest person around. He gave virtually no explanation for his answers and even when I called him out on it, the explanations weren't very good. And then he got all defensive for no apparent reason over a question that didn't accuse him of anything.

Everyone else
DarkStar is dead. What are your thoughts on this? What are all of your reads so far?

See my answer to wolf below.

My reads:
Wolf: Town; very active; appears to be aggressive; focusing a bit much on the lurkers, but that's understandable.
NQT: Town; somewhat active and I can't find anything about them that stands out.
Caz: Slight scum lean; hasn't really been around and hasn't posted anything really extensive.
Tiruin: Nothing yet; hasn't been around with good reason.
SBC: Again, nothing yet; hasn't been around much with good reason.
Scientist: Slight scum lean; quarreled with IG at the beginning, but disappeared afterwards.
Mastahcheese: Slight scum lean; seemed a bit too focused on Solymr for a few slips that didn't seem to constitute a vote.
Darkpaladin: Slight scum lean; had a few slips and suspicious things, but nothing to severe.
Solymr: Slight scum lean; also had a few slips, but that was probably due to English being their second language and just being new.

Probably the best evidence we could use from DarkStar, however, is the fact that he was kind enough to give us his reads.

Quote from: TheDarkStar on February 24, 2014, 09:39:14 pm

My list:
4maskwolf: He's active and tries to get discussion going. Town lean, but this is not certain.
IG: I'm not sure; very slight town lean.
Mastahcheese: Slight scum lean for the way he's going after Solymr. There's a reason there, but he's taking it as a worse scumtell than it should be.
NQT: Null read. He hasn't said much, and the things he's said don't give me much of a read.
Caz: Slight scum/neutral read due to lurking.
SBC: Slight scum/neutral lean due to even more lurking than Caz.
DP109: Scum lean from his posts combined with how new he is. Of course, he has a neutral lean, too, since he has said that he wants to stay out of the way.
Solymr: Slight scum lean, but I think he's mostly just an inexperienced player.
Tiruin: Null read due to excused inactivity.
MOWE: Slight scum/neutral read due to lurking.
+!!scientist!!+- Slight scum/neutral read due to lurking.
No lynch: Not actually a player.

All the "Slight scum/neutral read due to lurking" people are just the ones that haven't really said anything in the last several pages. They are probably more likely neutral than scum, though, because the scum want mislynches while the neutrals have much more specific targets.

The simple fact is that he didn't really form much of a case on anyone, but there has to be some kind of a connection.
Another question for everyone:
What are your thoughts on DarkStar's reads? Do you have anything else of importance to add to the investigation?

I think it's quite suspicious that TDS was night killed and he didn't seem like a threat to the scum. I think that's a big thing. It makes me wonder.
As for him not having any reads on anyone, it's understandable. D1 for me is just mass confusion.

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NQT:

MOWE, Solymyr, IG, as vote leader,  unvoted and shortened. He could be voting someone else to break the tie and remove the danger of himself being lynched. Does that look like the actions of a person who's receiving advice from someone in a private chat?

I definitely think it was a collaboration. I think there was a reason behind what he did, probably involving drawing attention away from his scum partners. Although he did mention that he thought that one or two votes in RVS doesn't matter. I think eventually he just gave up after the votes turned out to be more significant than what he'd originally thought.

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Wolf:

Everyone: What are your analyses of the game so far?

I'm wondering why there was just one kill last night. I think it's highly unlikely that all of those with a kill last night chose to kill the same person. I can understand the Good not killing randomly because from what I understand, they're not particularly evil. But it seems like the Bad, being "essentially a SK with an additional goal," would probably go for a kill each night. The scum, however, I'd always expect to be killing someone each night. As of right now, this is the only occurrence that has really caught my attention.

MOWE: You voted for IG and then disappeared off of the map.  Why?  Did you read the conversations that were had afterwards?

I voted him for reasons stated earlier in my post. I disappeared because of things happening in my life. Like visiting my boyfriend, which I do every Sunday. And school and a shopping trip that kept me out until late Monday night. I posted in places requiring little to no thought when I could find the time.

I just read through the conversations. I didn't have time before. Hence why I didn't post here, although I doubt they'd have changed my thoughts on IG. Why do you ask?

All the lurkers: What do you think of how the game has progressed so far?

I'm pretty cool with it. We lynched a confederate D1, which is a really good thing. Although there are more lurkers/absent people than I'd like.

 

Ooh I want to...  but I think two games at once is more than enough for me right now. Especially with college being an occasional jerk. I'll be watching though.

Quote from: MyOwnWorstEnemy on February 22, 2014, 09:17:36 pm

Apparently, my ability went away with my item. I am no longer able to kill at night.

Wait, so it was an item ability that lets you kill people?
That's totally different than what I thought you were saying.

It's totally different than what I thought. Since everyone has been talking about their abilities versus those of their items, I thought it best to ask Nerjin. I didn't think it was my item that gave me the ability to be entirely honest.

Apparently, my ability went away with my item. I am no longer able to kill at night.

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By "hidden information" I mean his item.  That was censored for no apparent reason.  That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role.  It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.

I actually have a sneaking suspicion that the identity of the item the person is holding is never revealed upon death. I think we'll find this out tonight.

MOWE

Quote from: MyOwnWorstEnemy on February 21, 2014, 12:07:08 pm

I would look for someone who's very active. I would probably kill every night, but make sure that I try not to draw attention to myself by who I kill.

What's your method for avoiding attention being attracted to you?

I basically mean that I wouldn't just off everyone who gave me a bit of trouble. In my book, that's quite scummy and I'd probably be labeled as Confederate.

Toaster:

MOWE:

Quote from: MyOwnWorstEnemy on February 19, 2014, 07:25:57 pm

Can we please stop a second and think things through?

So what's your suggestion?  All attempts at eating you failed, so I'm out of ideas in that regard.

I suggest actively trying to find the rest of the scum instead of just going along with it like it's the only choice. I ask that everyone take into consideration everything that's happening, like an Evil person convincing everyone to lynch the confirmed Not Evil person just because he was confirmed Not Evil. I'm not against a Cado lynch, but I'd like people to actually think about things before they do them.
All y'all voting Cado:
Do you have reasons to vote Cado other than the fact that he's the only claimed Evil meteor summoner? If so, please enlighten me.

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Mastahcheese:

Quote from: Toaster on February 20, 2014, 02:31:03 pm

Having said that, what makes you so sure that you want to go after evil people instead of meteor summoners?  Do you think there is a correlation between the two, or that evil is the real threat, or what?
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My question really falls flat since you are extremely convinced that the evil people are the threat and nothing else matters.  I meant something more like X number of independent entities who are hostile to the rest of the players, with no guaranteed correlation to alignment.

Could there be more evil people?  I don't see why not.  That said, I figure if there is a standard scum team at play here, three is by far the most likely number of members it has.

It seems you haven't been paying attention to what I've said regarding myself. I've stated before that my role strongly suggests that I have a wincon of "defeat evil", therefore, as far as my character seems to be concerned, evil is the only issue. Maybe there are others, but I don't really care as far as what my implied wincon would suggest.
And no, I don't think that there is any correlation between evil and meteor summoners, that's why we have one person who's claimed evil and meteor summoner, and two people to claim only evil. My guess is that there are either,
1. Another evil team, possibly 2 evil teams that are keeping quiet, heck, maybe even the 3 evil people aren't even in their own team! They could all be members of other, separated evils for all we know! Has anyone thought of that?
2. The meteor summoners have nothing to do with evil, and it just ended up that one of the summoners also rolled evil.

Precisely! Just like I'm sure that there has to be some kind of night kill ability that either the Evil or some other person has because my ability is directly related to aggressive attacks. Unless there's some other kind of aggressive actions, someone out there has to have the ability to kill (probably the Evil people). I think we'll find out tonight at the very least.

These theories make sense. Although I'm having trouble visualizing 1. So technically, they're all like third parties? I don't know. I just have a hard time imagining it. The summoners got together to summon the meteor. Odds are there's some kind of collaboration, or at the very least they know who each other are. This is the one thing I think Cado is lying about.