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Yes but... 1 meat is really a low price for murdering a baby (not yet) civ member! They even don't give so much brain essence...

Maybe you can put different upgrades for aberrants and praetorians? I don't see them truly strong, since they are like a naked soldier wasp which cannot learn other skills.

that's what you'd normally get from butchering one larva. i changed it because butchering them was causing a crash. i can't raise the brain essence yield, because that would make obtaining brain essences trivial. you won't need that many for your reactions to begin with, after all. i could raise their meat, but remember that you're not supposed to turn this into an industry. just a little extra for when you have extra larvae and you don't really need more wasps.

you should see the Colossal Praetorian. It gave some semimegabeasts a run for their money! and when i say a run for their money, i mean "murdered their asses by ripping off their heads with its bare teeth". Praetorians are like trolls, only stronger, with better stats and better healing. they are not weak at all, i can assure you that. and they're relatively cheap to obtain through the Shrine.

Where, exactly? I've found the creature_hivemind_wasps.txt file, and I've found the beasts between the code lines, but I don't know where to put [child:2] tag.
Also, does it means that we need 2 years to fully grow babies into adults?

putting them under the [SELECT_CASTE:ALL] will do. or under [PETVALUE]. and yes, that's what defines how long it takes for a creature to become an adult. what defines the size of the creature is the body size, which by the way you should change for the slugsnake. replace this

with this in the slugsnake entry


maybe the child period is too small, however?

Yes I've read it, but butcher a larva for just 1 meat and neither the 100% output to have a brain essence, I'm far from seeing why we should do this. Also, to butcher a larva do we have to pasture them on the workshop? Those informations could be vital on the manual btw.

because every now and then larvae die for various reasons. or, you may simply decide that you have enough wasps and don't need any more of them and want to butcher them. to butcher a larva, simply use v-p-s. the reactions to process the corpse are automatic and take place in the Waspen Mind. I shall update the manual to include these things.

I love both rhino beetles AND cockroaches! Maybe cockroaches even more than anything else! Oh god I'd love to give my wasps fresh cockroach meat everyday forever and ever!
Also, I like that difference between Thralls and Animals... but maybe you could re-consider those aberrants and praetorians, since those are in fact cannon fodders!

yeah, maybe these two should stick with the regular ones. praetorians, however, are in fact not cannon fodder. the problem is that since they're quite strong on their own, the upgrades for them would be both broken and would make the regular thralls completely unnecessary.

How to manually fix this problem, so I can use them in the last fort?

go to the entries of these creatures (SCORPION_WASP and SLUGSNAKE) and add [CHILD:2]

Well, I just wanted to say that you're doing good, and playing Hive feels quite nicely.

And a little suggestion here. This possibly was already suggested/putted on your idea list, but whatever.
It would be really nice to give more pets to Hive, like giant stag and rhinoceros beetles, maybe even armorable. Giant locust would be really cool too (fast breeding, pulpy, but eating away everithing on the surface, from grass to animals and invaders).
I have nothing against spiders and scorpions, but they're quite... I don't know, mundane for the DF world? Adding more unique giant insects for Hive would really improve the atmosphere

thanks

wasps already have several very powerful, very expensive war creatures but they could do with a few more medium priced animals. not as big and expensive as the scorpion, the slugsnake and the worm, but still significant. think cow sized beetle, for instance.

by the way, i had an idea:

biochemist's laboratory or something like that: laboratory and mutation reactions just don't feel right to me. why use souls to make a wasp stronger? why make a hive thrall out of meat and cement and use a soul to infect a slave with a larva? if wasps use biochemistry as a tool, we must add a bit more depth to it. with this workshop the player will be able to create various substances from animal pieces, plants and some boulders to be used on reactions where chemistry or biology is supposed to be involved. it will make waspen gameplay a bit more complex and will give the player a new motivation to care for his agriculture and import whatever he doesn't need. what do you guys say?

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8250

apparently, the "military stands around doing nothing" bug at the very least will be fixed in 40.24

nice. i'd like a turn

yeah but wasps deliver poison from their stings. i like the balance as it is, and their bite will already receive a buff (it will be a pierced attack once more), so i'll just correct the manual

in the next edition, thralls will be split into two categories: red wasp thralls (they fill your enemies with blisters and explode, fun for the whole family) and stinger thralls (they tear your enemies's shit up). red wasp thralls will be cheaper and weaker, stinger thralls shall be somewhat stronger and, more importantly, will be able to be upgraded in the mutation lab.

thralls already have stings, btw, they just don't inject poison.

poll for butcher is up

also keep in mind those rates you mentioned are normal for all races, within 6 months of any fortress i have 2 legendary miners. also keep in mind that many wasps are adapted to diging. also halving learn rates would make the game feel sluggish

good points. i'm still working on the mutations. that should give another usage for the slaves and it will make praetorians and aberrants even better (as it will allow you to improve them). sadly, there is only so much you can give a creature using syndromes (i would really like it if it allowed you to change a particular body part, for example) but hey, another feature never hurts!