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Mastahcheese:

Quote from: Deus Asmoth on December 30, 2014, 07:42:58 pm

Mastahcheese, how do you feel about likely getting elected for night duty?

Kinda sucks because I hate being the center of attention.
Although, I suppose I'm as good a candidate as any, since I'm not a power role, so I have no need to preserve myself. (Yeah, I'm going ahead and claiming vanilla. No point not too.)
Meh. Good parts and bad parts. We'll see how it goes.

Hm. I'm not sure how happy I am with people claiming before they get stuck as lookout...

No biggie, I guess, but I'd recommend other players avoid this in the future for the most part.

Comrade Shamrock:

I know you're trying to avoid a no lynch but it just seems odd that you're suggesting go Tolyk or whoever you choose.

Why? Why should I go with someone else's wagon when I'm the only person here I know for sure to be town?

Also why Vivalas? You say he's scummier but you don't say how. Deathsword has a post on why, so what are your reasons?

I already said, but because of him trying to extend RVS, which is a scum-sided action, and due to the way he's playing. It feels scummier than the other players. I'm also giving you a little bit of a benefit of the doubt due to experience with your town playstyle, though this will ebb quickly as the game goes on.

Also you missed this. It was in a spoiler so I forgive you.

Quote from: Comrade Shamrock on December 29, 2014, 09:18:38 pm

Besides why did you think I would claim third party? I can conjure to mind only one role that it might be beneficial: survivor. Is there any others you can think of?

Oh, my bad for missing that. The way you were talking here:

I would hand it over to someone else. My reasons are mostly selfish, I just wanna live. Since scum might attack the lookout and I want to avoid being killed, I don't want the job. I would rather someone more experienced have it and possibly use it rather than me using it and possibly waste it by hiding when scum attack someone else.

sounded like someone who wasn't sure if they wanted to claim town or third party due to having little experience in games with third parties. I was guessing survivor. There are a number of alignments that may be considered town-aligned and third party. One might consider millers to be third party, and there's also town-aligned outsiders/survivors.

You also haven't pressed me on the AT gun answer, why is that? Were you planning on leaving it to someone else?

Planning, no. But it did happen that someone else confronted you about it and I didn't have anything new to add to the conversation. Your flavor is consistent with mine, so, either as a fake claim, a trimmed-down scum role PM, or as a town role PM, it fits.

As to why 3 isn't enough, only 1 relates to the game. He's playing the game so those should come easily. I don't mind that some of them aren't related but Scripten seems to be doing it just to try and annoy me especially when his previous answers are considered. Even voting him doesn't get a serious response.

Not directed at me, but this quote is about me so I'm replying. I'm not taking you seriously because you're using word associations to allegedly find scum. This might work face-to-face, but do I really have to explain why your questions were useless insofar as determining my alignment. Same thing with the vote. I'm not taking you seriously because your vote doesn't actually have anything behind it.

As to my vague answer. We are in the 1st infantry division explain to me why I would need an Anti-Tank gun in a situation where we are hunting spies.

Why are you intentionally drawing attention to the flavor in your role?

Did you forget Deathsword and Persus or were they left out for convenience? You gave yourself a much weaker player and scummier player as a partner, this kinda scewed it in your favour. It could be an attempt to make public opinion appear on your side. Don't tell me this is random either, Tiruin and Silthuri together seems like too much of a coincidence.

This, however, makes me happy, though Flabort has a unique playstyle and is kind of low hanging fruit for being called out on it, so only minor towncred for you.

TDS:

And now we've ensured that it's a WIFOM situation for scum (because before, they were certainly going to kill you once you said that you would be watching rather than hiding).

This is a town-leaning mentality. Keeping this is mind for later.

Caz:

The jury has decided, sorry.

Hm. Caz, you appear to be pushing for people to stay in scum's line of fire overnight in a very visible way. This concerns me.

Quote from: Scripten on December 30, 2014, 12:34:29 am

Geez, you guys have been busy. I'll be back tomorrow morning with a recap and I'll try to touch on all the questions directed at me. While I get some sleep, though, let us consider the following.

Dayvig: Caz

(Note: Role doesn't indicate that dayvig ends the day, so feel free to discuss. )

Excuse me?

Sorry, pretty sure (for day 1) that you're scum or hostile third-party. You also seem to be a competent player and are indicating that you are town reading me, which puts me in a prime position to be NK'd. I imagine you'll flip at the end of the day along with the lynch, judging by what my role PM says.

Sorry about how messy this post is. I'm trying to get it in early to give time for discussion.

Who would you want to be lookout right now? What are your feelings about the lookout mechanic and who should become lookout.

I feel like it's a neat mechanic. It will become more useful later in the game, as usual. I wouldn't mind having it, since my powers are entirely relegated to the daytime, but I haven't got a problem with seeing my town reads taking it up.

Quote from: mastahcheese on December 28, 2014, 01:48:56 pm

TolyK- Seems particuraly wary of scum tactics. Slight town lean.

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What.
How.
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You got that in one post?
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Mastahcheese seems particularly interested in seeming active and preceptive and all-around scumhunting town.
When really, he's buddying a person who hasn't posted ANYTHING of interest yet other than a thought that isn't even mentioned in his post.
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So, can you please pick apart my posts and say where you got that? Not much I'm asking for here.

(A bit exaggerated, of course, but that's the butt of my accusation).

This, along with other posts today, makes me want to see someone other than TolyK get lynched. Vivalas, Caz, and Comrade are all scummier, and while newbie-shields are up and running, this is not a newbie game, so I don't feel TOO bad for voting people for being scummy.

Flabort & TheDarkStar: I'm glad you don't want to see a no lynch happen, but I think you should consider that TolyK has dropped towntells more than scumtells, and you're just getting rid of an experienced player because you don't want to kill a newbie on day 1.

Flabort: Also, my power works fine. It's just that it's a little visible. I worry about the night, though, since my power is very town-sided and relegated to the daytime and thus makes me a prime night kill target for scum.

TolyK: Your heated counterattack seems borderline OMGUS. Your motives are questionable. Such a heated defense would seem scummy, for a simple D1 read. Are you scum trying to RIA? Explain how mastacheese is buddying with Caz other than RVS vote.

Deathsword already covered the problems I have with this post. However, I'm wavering between voting Vivalas, Caz, or Comrade Shamrock. Not understanding how terms quite work isn't alignment-indicative, but this seems like an attempt to go after low-hanging fruit. Due to the holiday, it seems like it may be working, as well, since TolyK is likely to be lynched despite being relatively town.

Let's also consider the fact that voting for RVS at the end of Day 1 is incredibly scum-sided. It preserves a part of the game that relies on learning very little about your fellow players other than their personalities and playstyles, which are not particularly alignment-indicative.

Geez, you guys have been busy. I'll be back tomorrow morning with a recap and I'll try to touch on all the questions directed at me. While I get some sleep, though, let us consider the following.

Dayvig: Caz

(Note: Role doesn't indicate that dayvig ends the day, so feel free to discuss. )

Comrade Shamrock

Get an AT gun and blow them all to pieces. Not the exact phrasing but I'm sure you can work it out from there. If you're curious as to why I want to live. I want to get to D2, never been in D2 so I hope it's fun.

It's fun enough. Are you town, Comrade, or are you a third party?

Well now you just deserve to be voted due to those atrocious errors. Are you going to take any question I ask seriously Scripten? So far it seems to be just humour.

Deus Asmoth

What's the reasoning behind this question? Why would it work any better than just asking him if he's scum or not?

It's possible/likely that we have more than just town and scum in this game. Some third parties have unique wincons.

Quote from: Scripten on December 27, 2014, 01:00:07 am

I was talking about the lookout revealing third parties and about setup speccing revealing town PRs. You're conflating the two.

How does setup speccing reveal town PRs, though?

Firstly, I'm not against asking questions. I am just trying to move the discussion away from setup speculation. Alright, so say we're playing the Matrix 6 setup, right? Say you're a tracker and people are trying to break the setup and speculate on what a jailkeeper would do to negate a scum roleblocker's action. If you don't say anything, you might be alright, but you know, the entire time, that this is an impossible situation. Every post you make is motivated by that knowledge and good scum (who also know there is no roleblocker) can pick you out and kill you. Hence, town gains nothing because they can't tell the difference between your knowledge of the lack of a roleblocker and that of actual scum, so it's entirely town-centric confusion alongside additional scum information.

Does that help any?

PPE: Scripten How are survivors anti-town? As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they can with with the scum does not conflict the fact that they can win with the town.

Oh, it certainly does. Who do you think a self-aligned survivor will vote for in 5p LyLo? Hell, in 3p LyLo, I imagine scum will have already won. Survivors are not a trustworthy faction in and of themselves. Of course, they may also be town-aligned and thus have the hardest job of all; staying alive AND lynching anti-town players.

Figuring out factions doesn't reveal town PRs, though. It specifically seeks out third-parties.

I was talking about the lookout revealing third parties and about setup speccing revealing town PRs. You're conflating the two.

Right then, from what I gather the red vote in the RVS is puts a little pressure on someone especially the guilty if you manage to hit. But what does the green do? It implies trust. Trust to someone who hasn't said a word yet. The green to me is not the same as the red and as such is pointless in the RVS stage as it doesn't scare anyone.

This is a really good observation and I want everyone to read it again.

Town-related words are things like village, M Night Shamalamalamallamalan, and lynchin's.

What were the word associations supposed to show, Comrade?

Scripten - How do you think that the lookout mechanics of the game will affect it in the best-case scenario? How about the worst?

As Flabort (IIRC) said, this isn't a particularly useful question, but I'll bite. In the best case, we'll either catch scum, out third party mechanics, or otherwise hinder anti-town factions. In the worst case, scum will find our PRs and kill them all.

Meh, they're an interesting way to start a conversation. Those two might know something I don't. Why don't you want us exploring the mechanics of the game?

One of the biggest advantages town currently had is that scum most likely do not know our various roles. Setup spec is just one step off from doing scum's rolefishing for them, since anything you say will be influenced by your role.