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I can't help but feel that leaders are quite lackluster, though. In the sense that they are just floating bonuses, not personalities. I don't give a fuck who is leading what and flying which science ship beyond the very start. Just find a guy with the right bonus and put him in the right position, then forget. I get it, this is similar to what EU4 is like, but still. I'd appreciate a little more personality from leaders. Especially in dictatorships and such. Events tied to the ruler personality traits and the traits of faction leaders would be nice.

Yeah, I've never once known anyone's name or cared about what they do - I just see them as flat bonuses.

Part of the problem is that there aren't really any negative traits/whatever. There's one or two, but they tend to be rather trivial - therefore there's no choice involved. Sure, they don't need to be CK2 style characters (that might get a bit onerous) but they could really do with being just a bit more interesting. 

Quote from: Ametsala on April 13, 2017, 04:36:36 pm

Endless Space collection is 1 $/£/€ in Steam until monday. Amplitude is promoing for ES2.

Instant buy.

I've had more than enough fun with Endless Legend over the years to want to try this one out at that price.

It's a really good one - my only suggestion is to go for slightly smaller maps (and therefore shorter games) than you'd usually go for in 4x games. It's not that there isn't a lot of depth (there is) it's just that a lot of the fun comes with trying out the different races and different strategies. I know all 4x games are like that, but this one more so than others - the races are all really different, and there's a lot of different ways to do stuff, but if you just get stuck in 2-3 epic scale maps you'll just get worn down.

Art of War 2.0 yes please

Yeah, I can imagine there being a combat DLC not too far down the line - IIRC the next one/patch was supposed to focus on combat. The problem is that they've kinda gone down the 'dozens of anonymous ships which turn into an abstract number' route, and I can't imagine they'll change from that to something more indepth.

That being said, even just the ability to customise ships more would be very much welcomed - most of the time I just build exactly the same ships each game.

It can also be useful to have the bulk of your ships in the traditional doomstack, but also keep a couple of wolfpack type groups for commerce raiding. Wars in stellaris tend to be mostly attrition-based grindfests (except for a brief window in the early game where you can easily destroy spaceports but your economy is too weak to replace large losses), so targeting mining/scientific stations, or better yet frontier outposts, is pretty well worth splitting one or two dozen fleet capacity off the main group. Especially if the enemy hasn't bothered with military stations, or you expect to be at war with them again in the future.

I use a trio of destroyers, designed to support each other on independent missions rather than take part in fleet actions. They have much higher DPS and more strategic mobility, but they have no armor and their shields are very weak - only just enough to keep them from taking chip damage from the stations' weapons. I've certainly had a lot more success in wars since I started using them.

Yeah definitely - I tend to make sure my empire entrances are secure, have one main force and then a few others marauding through messing stuff up. The AI doesn't seem to manage to work out the biggest threat too well, so often they'll just go after my little 500 power force instead of my 20k one.

Wished them luck, thank you

We've cancelled the current campaign to re-launch it fairly soon, mainly to reduce the goal to something more achievable and (as people have asked for here) to reduce the reward prices quite a bit. This is combined with offering a range of add-on pledges to give more control and choice to backers as the current tiers didn't work that well for people. Read about it at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rocketjumptechnology/king-under-the-mountain/posts/1856224 !

Really sorry to hear you've had to cancel it - it's unfortunately the way some KS go even if they're as good as this is. One thing I'd really, really warn against though (and I mean this in absolutely the best way possible) is relaunching it without a serious, serious think and overhaul. 

So many kickstarters just relaunch a few weeks later with basically the same stuff with just half/whatever fraction of the original funding goal and it leads people to think that the devs were either just being greedy the first time or that the new KS product is going to be a watered down version of the original. Even if they make the funding goal, a lot of good will has gone because of it. I know you wouldn't let it be released without it being good quality and that the first goal was the realistic one for full time work and this would take longer, but it can come across badly - especially to those that haven't seen you on forums and stuff.

I think you need to state categorically what was going to be in the original which will now need to be cut. It's no good saying 'we'll release xyz after the full release' either because if the game tanks (ala Clockwork empires) then nothing will get added/fixed - what's cut needs to be possible to be cut full stop. Similarly, you'll need to be transparent about the new release date, and how the lack of funds is going to effect that directly. I'd also push the relaunch out a while so that you can get some new screenshots/stuff up. No one will have forgotten about it in a month or two, and people will see you're still making progress which is always good.

Again, I know this is stuff you've thought of, but just would really hate to see it stumble again. I'll certainly back next time regardless!

This looks great!!

Will you be looking on expanding on the game after the base game is recreated? I love MOO, but would really like to see it expanded on - not in terms of extra races (as I feel they're pretty much perfect) but in terms of added and improved features. Stuff like improved combat and espionage would be great for instance.

Just a pro tip, when it comes to 2k, don't ever, ever, ever buy their season pass. It's not worth it.

I mean, it usually is never worth it, but with 2k especially it's never worth it. You usually only save like $1.29.

Seconded. Super not worth it. I'd also never bother getting this at full price (although I bought it at neaaaarrlly full price stupidly) - it's not that it's a bad game, but it's on sale a lot and it's not so amazing you need to play it TODAY.

Can you recommend And easy way to get into this? I did a quick search and it seems there dozens of websites to sift through and not sure who to trust. I am also not 100% sure he will like old games.  am 45 and what I remember from back then is that games were HARD AS FUCK. We died over and over and we kept at because there were no other options. Today, thats not the case and I personally don't see the point in games like Super Meat Boy. My son and most kids I know are the same, hard just equals inaccessibility.

So with that said, what games should I look at? Do they have like old Arcade games form the 80's?

ON a side note and not directed as a reply to anyone, I wish there was a new PC version of something like Twisted Metal, ROcket League has me really thinking that would be fun and we keep trying to play it like that but it wasnt meant to be played that way. All we do is rumble mode.

MAME has support for both Arcade game systems and stuff like the SNES and Megadrive. Whilst a lot of the arcade side scrollers are nigh impossible, there's a lot of much more accessible games with SNES and stuff like that; take toejam and earl for instance - it's literally one of the most laid back multiplayer games ever.

Other than toejam and earl, good multiplayer games are the golden axe/streets of rage games, teenage mutant ninja turtles and my personal favourite; The Lost Vikings. Then there's all the arcade game ones, of which there are thousands.

In terms of where to get them, Aoi is right that it's a bit of a grey area. Unless the game has officially had it's copyright revoked it's not legal, yet with most of those companies having folded and/or no legal sales of the product possible it's a bit of a 'if a tree falls in the woods' scenario. More than that, most of the paid for 'packaged ROMs' are just pirated copies getting put into a convenient zip file by a third party. That being said, medium shifting is acceptable as per DMCA exceptions, so if you own a copy of it you are more or less free to play it on whatever.

I remember this previously coming up and Toady being against it though, so I won't post links here to reputable ROM sites. Shouldn't be hard to find though.