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Another thing, there's a tendency for armaments to proliferate over time.  Human beings had a lifespan of maybe 40 years, but a sword could last for 1000.  If weapon or armor was damaged, it could be repaired or recycled more easily than digging new ore from the earth.  Thus as history progresses, there are more and more arms and armor just lying around. 

Hey guys, new to adventure mode here.  My companion casually mentioned that his daughter (Thepa) was kidnapped several years ago, and thinks she's in Seducedplane, a series of Dark Pits.  So I was all like, yeah! let's go rescue that chick!  So we stormed in and killed some goblins, while asking them where is Thepa, and they were all like, I don't know any Thepa, so we killed them harder.  Then we wandered around the lower levels opening random doors, but they are mostly empty and the few non-goblins we find are all like "I don't know any Thepa", "This is Seducedplane, I don't know where to look".  This was fun a couple hundred doors ago, but I'm getting bored with it now. 

1( All of these non-goblins are like, man, life sucks, but I don't see any option that says, hey, come with me, we'll get the eff outta here.  I'm worried that if I ever do find Thepa, she'll be the same way. 

2( A lot of the non-goblins also have goblin names, so I'm thinking they might not be kidnappees, but natural born citizens.  Would kidnappees like Thepa be kept in some specific place I should be looking for? 

3( How do I manipulate hatches?  I got into one of the goblin towers, apparently by accident, but then got stuck in it for a while and couldn't get out until at random it seems I fell through the floor.  Is there something I can do to get through hatches? 

I've been trying to play adventure mode, but I keep having trouble with game speed.  A couple times starting in fortresses, I was already FPS dead after character generation.  Entering or walking near fortresses was also problematic.  Towns and Hillocks were okay, but it seems dumb to have to play the game avoiding population centers. 

Any advice?

What would I turn it into?
If I use [Is_Metal] and assign it normal crafting capabilities, It comes with some the side effect as chitin, well, being FORGED INTO SHAPE. Or use [Bone] and let it function as bone in crafts and such (At the side effect of both yielding many chitins from one bug and not being able to make that falmer armor I keep bringing up)

But what kind of reaction are we talking here? I don't have alot of modding experience aside from changing some values to make the game more !!FUN!!

(Kobolds far more dangerous, Humans able to wear dwarf stuff, New weapons, Cats a sovereign nation etc.)

Well, a reaction can by any kind of A+B=C or even A=C or even _=C.  Just find a way to make chitin go in and armor come out.  I've never actually touched reactions myself, but ask on the modding forum and someone will hook you up.  There is also a modding guide on the DF wiki that I think walks through a couple reactions. 

If you make a special building for it, i.e. a Chitin Workshop, you can allow only certain civs to have the workshop, which should allow only certain civs to have chitin crafts.  As a custom reaction, I think you'll also have to enable the reaction per civ anyway. 

Ah, okay thanks.  I was searching for drug names specifically, I guess I should have just searched for drugs. 

You're right, that's some good info, but maybe more in-depth than I think it needs to be.  I'll give it a full read later. 

This discussion has been held before, but I don't see a particularly recent one, as in, after a bunch of US states legalized marijuana, recent. 

Off the top of my head, tobacco, cannabis, caffeine, coca, opium and shrooms would be reasonably obtainable medieval substances that dwarves could use.  I'm not suggesting to depict the kind of super drugs that we have in the modern world.  Most of these plants, including tobacco, have been bred or engineered to produce stronger effects than they would have in the middle ages.  The medieval equivalents should not be much stronger than alcohol (keeping in mind, alcohol can be pretty bad if you're not a dwarf)  Opium is strong, but was difficult to produce in abuseable quantity before 1400.  Caffeine of course doesn't grow on trees, exactly, the player would have to obtain and distill substances like coffee, tea, cocoa, kola or guarana to get at it.  Which I guess is also true of opium, I'm less familiar with that one. 

If I remember my war-on-drugs indoctrination propaganda correctly, shrooms are dangerous because they are wild and can have very different levels of hallucinogen per individual, but that feels like a dwarfy or at least rogue-likey caveat.  NetHack had a fun hallucinating syndrome that could be triggered by eating yellow mode, which I could definitely imagine having different levels depending on the severity of shroom.  One of the dangers of hallucinating in NetHack was that it could lead to accidental murders, and I could see shroom abuse causing dwarves to go into temporary Berzerk or Insane status or maybe even shroom induced weird moods.  So the player can either balance letting dwarves use the shrooms for happy thoughts against the occasional bad trip, or try to ban shrooms and prevent dwarves from jumping on them like they were socks. 

Speaking of which, it could be interesting to allow the player to put bans or quotas on the import or production of various substances, or limit their use to medical, religious, trade or recreation.  Dwarves that are addicted to a certain substance (maybe dwarves with an addictive personality, or a lot of stress) could try to steal some drugs from stockpiles or visitors could try to smuggle in contraband.  Assuming that the Dwarven Economy will not be revived for the purpose of contraband, maybe smugglers could appear like thieves or ambushes, a dwarf addict grabs an item of appropriate value  and brings it to the smuggler, the smuggler leaves with the item and the player gets a message "a smuggler has made off with a (whatever it was)".  Alternatively, the dwarf picks up a random item to trade for drugs and the smuggler provides the dwarf with a quantity of drugs based on the value of the item.  Tavern visitors could throw a wrench into the drug war as well. 

I had previously suggested aphrodisiacs, maybe those could function as a type of drug. 

Alfrodo suggested that DF substances like Golden Salve, Mog Juice and Liquid Fire could be treated as drugs.  In the Volsunga Saga, Sigurd roasts a dragon heart to eat, and the fumes give him the ability to speak with birds, and the birds convince him to kill his ally Regin.  Sounds to me a lot like the conversation about shrooms, so perhaps the blood or extracts of megabeasts could have hallucinatory effects. 

Might as well post the metals I made:

[INORGANIC:PYROCHALCUM]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:pyrochalcum]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten pyrochalcum]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling pyrochalcum]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:4:4:1]
[BUILD_COLOR:4:4:1]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:10]
[SPEC_HEAT:475]
[MELTING_POINT:12768]
[BOILING_POINT:15150]
[ITEMS_WEAPON][ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED][ITEMS_AMMO][ITEMS_DIGGER][ITEMS_ARMOR][ITEMS_ANVIL]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_METAL]
[ITEMS_BARRED]
[ITEMS_SCALED]
[SOLID_DENSITY:8000]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:7000]
[MOLAR_MASS:55845]
[IMPACT_YIELD:1000500]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:1750000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:600]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:1000500]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:1750000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:600]
[TENSILE_YIELD:255000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:450000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:143]
[TORSION_YIELD:255000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:450000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:189]
[SHEAR_YIELD:255000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:450000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:189]
[BENDING_YIELD:255000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:450000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:143]
[MAX_EDGE:10000]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:RED]
[INORGANIC:GEOCHALCUM]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:geochalcum]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten geochalcum]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling geochalcum]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:6:1]
[BUILD_COLOR:6:6:1]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:10]
[SPEC_HEAT:435]
[MELTING_POINT:11868] //most stats copied from bronze
[BOILING_POINT:14140]
[ITEMS_WEAPON][ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED][ITEMS_AMMO][ITEMS_DIGGER][ITEMS_ARMOR]
[SOLID_DENSITY:15000]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:12500]
[MOLAR_MASS:80000]
[IMPACT_YIELD:1000000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:1500000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:200]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:1000000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:1500000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:200]
[TENSILE_YIELD:17200]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:24100]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:312]
[TORSION_YIELD:17200]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:24100]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:312]
[SHEAR_YIELD:17200]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:24100]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:312]
[BENDING_YIELD:172000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:241000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156]  //left bending as is
[MAX_EDGE:10000]
[IS_STONE]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_METAL]
[ITEMS_BARRED]
[ITEMS_SCALED]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:BROWN]
[INORGANIC:AEROCHALCUM]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:aerochalcum]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten aerochalcum]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling aerochalcum]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:5:5:1]
[BUILD_COLOR:5:5:1]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:10]
[SPEC_HEAT:435]
[MELTING_POINT:11868]
[BOILING_POINT:14140]
[ITEMS_WEAPON][ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED][ITEMS_AMMO][ITEMS_DIGGER][ITEMS_ARMOR]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1500]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:1250]
[MOLAR_MASS:80000]
[IMPACT_YIELD:602000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:843500]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:547]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:602000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:843500]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:547] no data, used 110
[TENSILE_YIELD:172000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:241000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156] 110
[TORSION_YIELD:172000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:241000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156]
[SHEAR_YIELD:172000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:241000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156] no data, used 110
[BENDING_YIELD:172000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:241000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156]
[MAX_EDGE:10000]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_METAL]
[ITEMS_BARRED]
[ITEMS_SCALED]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:FUSCHIA]
I also made the ore of pyrochalcum sharp enough to make into shortswords, like obsidian. 

To add to the weight/support discussion. I discovered this:

If a medium size world has a circumference of 147,456m (Which assumes that each fortress tile is 1.5 x 1.5 metres)

then, some math and physics later, gave me the result of an acceleration due to gravity of 3.8 m/s/s (some rounding, give or take 0.2 m/s/s)

That means, that the giant bugs would have about 2/5ths of the force acting on them. However, I'm reasonably sure that DF uses earth gravity, with dwarves not having enormous heights due to the lower gravity, or being able to jump to the top of a small house in one leap.

That assumes that the planet is mostly silicate, iron and aluminum, like Earth is.  Saturn has about half the volume of Jupiter, but less than 1/20th the gravity, because it's made of different stuff.  Also the official tiles dimensions are 2x2x3m and the "worldgen" technically creates regions, not entire planets.