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Quote from: Putnam on January 24, 2015, 04:04:42 pm

Toady's been burned by things like this before (though not really with any real effects, AFAIK).

It was a long time ago, but the topic's still around, so I figure it shouldn't be too odd to link to it. You may understand why Toady is wary of releasing too much.

Can't wade through 23 pages of posts, but since DFHack is still here I'm assuming Toady is okay with it.

There are two distinct questions: (1) Is it simple for Toady to generate the dubug info at compile-time, and (2) Would this be helpful to the DFHack folks?  You need a "Hell yes!" to both of those before even broaching the subject with him.  Whatever the report is, it will almost certainly be shared privately with hand-picked people.

Full debug info would make reverse-engineering very easy - something that Toady doesn't want (and we don't need). We need only data structures, and I don't know how to export them alone.

*cough* any updates on the development *cough*

I'm posting status updates in my blog http://blog.mifki.com I wish I had more time to work on it though.

Oh, I haven't even started thinking about it, but you're right, it can't be completely random because in that case image would change each time tile is updated on screen, eg. when scrolling map.

Quote from: mifki on January 10, 2015, 01:30:18 am

Quote from: DragonDePlatino on January 10, 2015, 12:39:18 am

Hmm...quick question. Is it possible to have different variations of a single tile spread randomly? Like how vanilla DF has grass variations of ,.`'?

Currently no. Easy to implement though. What do you want this for?

Variation! I second this request. It would make boulders, tree leaves, water, and ground look less uniform and more natural.

Ok, I'll make it accept tile number range (xx-yy) in override specification instead of a single number.

Oh doh! LOL. I got that from the DFHack probe function. It said tiletype 398 and I unthinkingly used it. That said, still not working.

No! First number isn't a tile type, it's a tile number Ie. from http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Tilesets

That's how it works - it first checks if there are any overrides for a given tile number because it's very fast operation, and if there are, then fetches more data about the tile (which is slower) and processes overrides.

In Lua

[lua]# ~df.global.world.raws.itemdefs
<world_raws.T_itemdefs: 0x019a5ccc>
all                    = <vector<itemdef*>: 0x019a5ccc>
weapons                = <vector<itemdef_weaponst*>: 0x019a5cd8>
trapcomps              = <vector<itemdef_trapcompst*>: 0x019a5ce4>
toys                    = <vector<itemdef_toyst*>: 0x019a5cf0>
tools                  = <vector<itemdef_toolst*>: 0x019a5cfc>
tools_by_type          = <vector<itemdef_toolst*>[]: 0x019a5d08>
instruments            = <vector<itemdef_instrumentst*>: 0x019a5dd4>
armor                  = <vector<itemdef_armorst*>: 0x019a5de0>
ammo                    = <vector<itemdef_ammost*>: 0x019a5dec>
siege_ammo              = <vector<itemdef_siegeammost*>: 0x019a5df8>
gloves                  = <vector<itemdef_glovesst*>: 0x019a5e04>
shoes                  = <vector<itemdef_shoesst*>: 0x019a5e10>
shields                = <vector<itemdef_shieldst*>: 0x019a5e1c>
helms                  = <vector<itemdef_helmst*>: 0x019a5e28>
pants                  = <vector<itemdef_pantsst*>: 0x019a5e34>
food                    = <vector<itemdef_foodst*>: 0x019a5e40>
[lua]# ~df.global.world.raws.itemdefs.toys
<vector<itemdef_toyst*>: 0x019a5cf0>
0                      = <itemdef_toyst: 0x0f617eb0>
1                      = <itemdef_toyst: 0x0f7805c0>
2                      = <itemdef_toyst: 0x0f780640>
3                      = <itemdef_toyst: 0x0dc148e0>
4                      = <itemdef_toyst: 0x0f7848e0>
[lua]# ~df.global.world.raws.itemdefs.toys[2]
<itemdef_toyst: 0x0f780640>
id                      = ITEM_TOY_HAMMER
subtype                = 2
base_flags              = <BitArray<>: 0x0f78064c>
source_hfid            = -1
raw_strings            = <vector<string*>: 0x0f780658>
name                    = toy hammer
name_plural            = toy hammers
flags                  = <BitArray<>: 0x0f78066c>

And so on. But subtypes depends on the order things defined in raws, so later I'll make it accept names instead of subtype numbers, otherwise it probably will cause problems with mods.

Ahk. Will do. Thanks

Oh, and I'm referring to the list in the TWBT readme.

How about the map tiles though?

TWBT doesn't affect world/mini map (that's what you call map, right?).

hey mifki, i asked before and you didn't answer. do we have an ETA? can't wait

Sorry, I just have no idea how long it will take.