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Quote from: Pwned dwarf on March 17, 2015, 06:01:57 pm

Quote from: vjmdhzgr on March 16, 2015, 06:26:09 pm

Quote from: Pwned dwarf on March 16, 2015, 06:15:02 pm

Quote from: vjmdhzgr on March 15, 2015, 11:50:44 pm

Everybody's coming up with all these ways to kill the merchant, but really just full masterwork divine armor, legendary in all fighting skills, 5,000 in every attribute [TRAP_IMMUNE], [FIRE_IMMUNE_SUPER], and [NO_BREATHE] will easily make him immune to all but an obsidian trap in which case you're obsidianizing the goods as well so there's no point.

[TRAP_IMMUNE] has two catches, a unconcious creature will ALWAYS be trapped, and a webbed trap traps anything that doesn't spin webs. A siege weapon will wreck him, since armor defends against blunt attacks less, catapults with cinnabar, the heaviest stone you can get without exploits. Or even some other stone. The only reason why catapults are worse than ballistas is since Ballistas pierce through enemies and are edged. So the Catapults superior blunt damage and ignoring allies makes it pathetically easy to kill him. A single hit to a leg will knock him over, a hit to the head could knock him unconscious or just kill him. Since most body parts have bones, any hit could make him give into pain from a bone fracture. If you find a way to bypass that, just make a bridge over a pit that has spikes at the bottom. Which will make him explode AND get all his organs impaled.

[NOPAIN] [NOEXERT]
EDIT: also [WEB_IMMUNE] forgot that one.

If he gets hit in a [STANCE] part he'll still be knocked over, a headshot can knock him unconsious (and let him be trapped or murdered by military) or kill him, a hand or arm shot will make him drop his shield or weapon, and a bridge can still make him fall 50 z levels onto a ☼menacing steel spike☼

You're saying all this like Toady can't just make the merchant actually invincible. It doesn't really matter if a dwarf would be easily killed by this, think more whether a demon wearing masterwork divine armor could be killed by it. It really doesn't matter what the merchant is in the end, the idea is to make it so if you try to steal from the merchant there's a severe penalty. The initial post said the merchant was sent by Armok himself so maybe even just make it so the merchant doesn't put up a fight, but after they die an entire army of angels show up. Thinking about it, that might actually be better. You get multiple enemies so they're more difficult to kill with traps, and you don't immediately get punished so maybe it seems like you're going to be okay for a moment, then suddenly you can never go outside again.

Quote from: Pwned dwarf on March 16, 2015, 06:15:02 pm

Quote from: vjmdhzgr on March 15, 2015, 11:50:44 pm

Everybody's coming up with all these ways to kill the merchant, but really just full masterwork divine armor, legendary in all fighting skills, 5,000 in every attribute [TRAP_IMMUNE], [FIRE_IMMUNE_SUPER], and [NO_BREATHE] will easily make him immune to all but an obsidian trap in which case you're obsidianizing the goods as well so there's no point.

[TRAP_IMMUNE] has two catches, a unconcious creature will ALWAYS be trapped, and a webbed trap traps anything that doesn't spin webs. A siege weapon will wreck him, since armor defends against blunt attacks less, catapults with cinnabar, the heaviest stone you can get without exploits. Or even some other stone. The only reason why catapults are worse than ballistas is since Ballistas pierce through enemies and are edged. So the Catapults superior blunt damage and ignoring allies makes it pathetically easy to kill him. A single hit to a leg will knock him over, a hit to the head could knock him unconscious or just kill him. Since most body parts have bones, any hit could make him give into pain from a bone fracture. If you find a way to bypass that, just make a bridge over a pit that has spikes at the bottom. Which will make him explode AND get all his organs impaled.

[NOPAIN] [NOEXERT]
EDIT: also [WEB_IMMUNE] forgot that one.