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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 10:47:10 pm »
Who's Patrick? Who's Walter? There are so many names flying around it's hard to keep track. The only thing I know for sure right now is that this impudent Adalbertian Knight is NOT called Walter.

Make it noted that "no matter how small, young, big, or old San must defend his honor."
+1. Say this if someone tries discouraging us or something. It'll make us look like a total badass.

Play a under dog toon to rally support.
-1. Even with our Youthful Agility we're likely gonna lose. Best to keep it low-key and quiet.

EDIT: Did some checking and it turns out Sir Walter is one of the bodyguards assigned to us after with got a knife stuck in our back and I think you were talking about Barick when you mentioned 'Patrick'.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 10:22:57 pm »
Just thought of something. If we're going to use one of the king's vassals to duel this knight it must absolutely NOT be the Knight-Commander or any other high-ranking Knight of the Crown. If that Knight were to die then that would open up the position which may allow the concubine to get her son into that newly-vacant position and we don't want him to gain any more power until we have further solidified our own right to rule and have secured a proper alliance with Erik.

If we can't avoid it, why not ask Erik? If we win, it shows us united as brothers. If not, well thats some of the competition eliminated. But I still say just cut this fool down with rhetoric. Either he backs down, or is provoked into giving us an excuse to kill him. The audience is small enough that the truth of the matter can be covered up if need be. Don't give him the trial. If we can't kill him on the spot, he needs to be dealt with before we leave town. I don't want to have that hot mess looming over our shoulder while we travel - we have enough to deal with.

I would agree to but he's not our parent plus it could balloon his popularity at court as a proven fighter, something our father is and people take note/respect very much. His mother will have more to work with propaganda wise so -1.
Not to mention the whole "brotherly love angle" can only be played if Erik offers to fight in our name. Otherwise it would look like we're trying to send him to his death.

If we do lose Barrcik than we should pressure Sir Walter to have his brother/family member become our new bodyguard, he would owe us for our understanding despite his very obvious TRANSGRESSIONS against our honor as a prince.

Walking quickly towards you, in full armor, is an Adalbertian Knight. Walter, Adrickar and Serles all intercept him, and he raises his hands to indicate he is unarmed.

SIR WALTER is one of the guys that tried STOPPING the UNNAMED ADALBERTIAN KNIGHT from approaching.

Get his name.

Try to avoid having anyone die right in front of our dearly beloved sister.

Challenge HIM to a duel for his disrespect of the man who saved your life if he doesn't back down from our talking
Serles angrily asserts that you are having a private discussion, and do not wish to be disturbed. With a snort of derision, the heavily armored Adalbertian Man roughly shoves the dandy into the dirt before continuing past him.
Rather than a 3-point system with wooden weapons however, make it with real weapons and first to draw blood. Killing or maiming is illegal of course. We may be a bit sore but if we play as hard as we can with our Youthful Agility we should be able to dodge his blows.
Make sure that the place we duel at is a private place. There doesn't appear to be any reason otherwise, unless we plan on winning a duel to the death ourselves (hint: we don't). A public death duel would probably also kill the general feel-goodness of a wedding celebration, if the assassination attempt hadn't already.

As a general course of action we really shouldn't try to get our half-brother Erik killed. We really need to stop being so cold towards family members, I mean sheesh.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 08:30:33 pm »
Just thought of something. If we're going to use one of the king's vassals to duel this knight it must absolutely NOT be the Knight-Commander or any other high-ranking Knight of the Crown. If that Knight were to die then that would open up the position which may allow the concubine to get her son into that newly-vacant position and we don't want him to gain any more power until we have further solidified our own right to rule and have secured a proper alliance with Erik.

Is it possible to get a page of about 8 years old to fight on our behalf? This is a mostly hypothetical scenario but it would really make this trouble knight look like a terrible person if he were to fight a child so young (we would suffer a hit to our reputation ourself but at least everyone we care about will live). This is, again, mostly hypothetical and realistically we should never allow this to happen.

Call out his cowardice to gain rhetoric/diplomatic leverage. If it works, schedule a trial for after the trip to Koringberg, when we're back in Analysse. One or the other might die on the way there and back which would render the point moot and it also gives us time to deal with it in an alternative fashion (peaceful or otherwise). If it doesn't work leave it to the king.

Edit: LEAVE THE KING OUT OF IT. We're told in previous occasions the challenges may have been interpreted as an attack on the parent but in this case it is very clearly an attack on us (or at least our vassal). Even if we do get the king on this it'll just make us look weak in front of everyone except Penrod and Ritalia. Get Captain Verack of the Silver Moon Company to duel him if he doesn't back off. He isn't tired from the duel (Barrick), he's not technically a sworn vassal(Sir Bepher) so if he loses we won't look bad losing our first vassal, he's not some guy who got lucky with a sword (Serles), and he has a bitching claymore. If Verack wins, it makes our merc company look good. If he loses, the matter is still settled. Win-win.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 07:55:22 pm »
If there are our enemies why would they take our herbs lol? Bit far fetched eh?
Couldn't be as far fetched as starting a guild of mediocre metalworkers in an attempt to corner the market that's currently being flooded by far superior products from a country we're allied with in an attempt to..... um, I forget. Was it to make money or something? Really it seems lose-lose to me. We either fail and lose so much cash or we succeed and piss off the Koringbergians. This'll make it either more difficult or more expensive (probably both) to supply our armies and mercenaries with quality metalwork if we even get partial success. So really it's lose-lose-lose. Lose from failing, lose from succeeding, lose from even trying.

At least with my idea we won't have any competitors and if we're not selling domestically we could probably send it to those Bandit Baronies or Wildlings or what-not. It'll soften them up and they're so isolated and decentralised it's unlikely our own peeps would get hooked as well. And if we can't straight-up sell them the stuff we just offer them some the next time they try to ransom a prisoner to us, or something. Seriously, there are just so many options we can take if we go this route.

We could probably even straight-up weaponise the stuff. Light up some of the herbs, get a circle of mages, to blow the wind in the right direction and bingo presto we just decreased the fighting capability of a few thousand soldiers. We can also use it on the coven of Keshlian mage rebels for even greater effect. If they can't focus when they're casting their spells they're useless.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 06:11:36 pm »
Ishavakala or w.e his name is, deals in magical equipment for novice mages such as ourselves. Which is why we originally bought into his business. Is herbs are a small part of a greater thing. Think a clothing retailer deciding to sell flatscreen tv's as part of there store. Side stuff.

A real herb store (a good one) sells more dynamic herbs in medical practice. Plus we could use a few for our splitting headache.
Fair enough. +1. We shouldn't partner with someone who's too close to Ishvakala though. It might come off as a bit dickish if we suddenly started supporting his competition.

Mlamlah, what's the legal, religious, political, and magical status of hallucinogenic herbs and substances? Do they even exist? If we start distributing some to some of the youths we visit (think sons of counts, dukes, etc.) we could increase their loyalty (and dependency) to us.


We are a noble Prince not a medieval drug dealer warping minds with magical roots. I'm sure people are getting high but what's the point of our allies enemies are on there couches smoking herbs all day to Carr about anything else?

And now you see the magic of my plan. We even have the hired thugs necessary to pull it off.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 05:59:42 pm »
Ishavakala or w.e his name is, deals in magical equipment for novice mages such as ourselves. Which is why we originally bought into his business. Is herbs are a small part of a greater thing. Think a clothing retailer deciding to sell flatscreen tv's as part of there store. Side stuff.

A real herb store (a good one) sells more dynamic herbs in medical practice. Plus we could use a few for our splitting headache.
Fair enough. +1. We shouldn't partner with someone who's too close to Ishvakala though. It might come off as a bit dickish if we suddenly started supporting his competition.

Mlamlah, what's the legal, religious, political, and magical status of hallucinogenic herbs and substances? Do they even exist? If we start distributing some to some of the youths we visit (think sons of counts, dukes, etc.) we could increase their loyalty (and dependency) to us. We could also make some of our more adult opponents appear insane or incapable (we should be careful with this. If we do this to too many people they may suspect that someone is poisoning them.)

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 05:49:07 pm »
Maybe we should hold the trial here at the castle. We'll sit them both down and have them explain the stories.

We'll do what we can to make sure barrick isn't killed or jailed but have to pay a fine. One which we can help him front as we have business for that.
That might work but we ought to know first what withdrawing the duel would mean for the knight's reputation. If it would suffer it's unlikely he'll withdraw and wait for a trial. On top of that we know the justice system of neither Analysse (which we should know IC) or Koringberg (which we might know IC.) A fine does not seem appropriate given the accused crime (murder). If we are going to put Barrick through a trial, making him take one in Analysse is rather possible but there is a chance that someone might say the trial should take place in Koringberg, and who know what'll happen then.
Also getting a partnership in a medical herbs store sounds like a good idea. If only small and temporary.
If we're already parterned with Ishavakala then we may already have a medical herb partner.
We could, however, challenge him to a Magic Duel and see if dad would lend us Sir Kaelack, the Mage Tourneyment winner, as a Champion.

However, I agree with just calling out his cowardice and stupidity from behind the safety of our guardsmen.

This could worsen relations between our countries, which would undermine the marriage and put penrod in a bad position. He's probably not to popular atm and has attached another Prince for trying to start a war. We cannot make him look weak.
An excellent point. But if it's legally possible to get Kaelack to magic duel him then it'll also be possible to get any of our father's vassals to fight for us. We could ask Erik if we really want him to die (we don't. Pre-emptive -1 to my own suggestion) or, very favourably, we could get Knigh-Commander Gerald to fight (+1). It would be a much cleaner duel if it was Knight vs Knight as opposed to Knight vs All-Powerful Warmage of Death and Destruction.
If only the father himself may fight in our stead then +1 to calling him out since we would have few other options (we could ask Sir Bepher (sail knight) or Serles (Royal Protector) but I don't think either will do well).

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 05:18:37 pm »
Then ask you challenger for a minute to talk to Penrod in private before answering his challenge and demand. Ask the prince the exact circumstances of this knight's grudge, if the trial he demands can be rigged in our guard's favor, and if what the fallout would be if Barick was found innocent, or the challenger humiliated in a duel.
-1. Asking honourable Penrod if we can cheat in a fair duel would destroy a lot of the respect he has for us.

Alternatively, take a good step back, and Chide the man for his cowardice in challenging a small child, and his disrespect to his lord in attempting something that will greatly complicate the political situation. Speak calmly and condescendingly, trying to provoke the man into giving you a good excuse to have him killed on the spot.
+1 to the parts where we don't try to get ourselves killed.


"Prince Penrod please relay everything i get wrong to Sir Walter, the Knight."

In our best tongue of Adalbertian

"Sir Walter,

First, i don't care what your background in life is. Tact is something very simple, i would have even considered a meeting with you had a request been made. This behavior is unfiting during such a important wedding between our nations.

Second, pushing around my guardsman, albeit new, references a lack of respect that you have for me and my family. That is unacceptable and also unfitting for a Knight here to show friendship and respect to a marriage of a fellow.
(It's irrelevant if they're new or not.)

Third, Barrick is not my vassal he is part of my personnel retinue and bodyguard who's help thwart assassinations against me. I cannot trow away those who have been loyal to me for it will be a stain on me as a bad leader. This is a LARGE problem." (He hasn't challenged Barrick. He's challenged you. Don't speak as if he's challenged Barrick directly and is merely asking for your permission to duel him.)

*walk up to him*

"As for your challenge wait till i'm 18 so i can punch your stupid teeth down your throat." (-1 WE DO NOT WANT TO DIE.)

If he doesn't want to wait 7 years than he can take us on a chess duel. (-1 Why not challenge him to a basket weaving contest or a... I don't know....... a Children's Card Game while we're at it. This is a gravely serious matter - not the stuff handled by a board game. Really, it would just come off as cowardly.)
Added suggestions and opinions to the speech.
Edit: An inconsistency I just found in the speech:
"Sir Walter,
Third, Barrick is not my vassal he is part of my personnel retinue and bodyguard "


"You Are Vassal-Lord of Barick Houseless?"

You murmur that you are,

Walter isn't the knight's name either; that's the name of our of the dudes that tried restraining him.

Is it necessary for the duel to be a physical altercation? As the challenged party I believe we would determine what type of duel takes place. In that respect we could make this challenge a magic duel, something that the challenger probably wouldn't be skilled in. Of course that doesn't matter if we are forced to agree to a more traditional duel.
That might just work. Though he would have to know magic first. And magic duels would have to be allowed at all. And it wouldn't blow our cover as an aspiring magician. And if we weren't dealing with an experienced fighter. And we would have to know ANY WORTHWHILE COMBAT MAGIC. -1 Besides, assuming we did know a good amount of combat magic and everything else was fine, we'd be at a disadvantage because of our still-existent Foul Mood.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 15, 2014, 12:12:20 am »
Hmmmm....... I think we should leave religion alone for now. We have a little too much on our plate at the moment and it might be tricky getting the Father's High Priest as an ally.
What's the main religion of the Keshlian refugees and the sea mage ruling Keshla itself? I they differ, and the refugees' religion mirrors our own, we have an opportunity to gain influence with both the Priests of the Father and the Priests of the Mother. The Father would like us for bringing righteous fury (or justice or whatever) against the sea mage for wrongly expelling its own people and the Mother would like us for helping out the poor, besodden refugees in returning to their homeland. Then tie it up in a neat little bow of Holy War.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 14, 2014, 10:17:15 pm »
Is it possible to get the favor of a gadget making society?

For example one who wants to protect the kingdom via making mines, help researching spells, and the development of better siege machines?
Are there any known gadget making societies? The presence of magic would probably decrease the likelihood of such an organisation existing. If I remember correctly that's one of the reasons why gunpowder doesn't exist.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 14, 2014, 08:07:50 pm »
It seems that doing general charity work would ingratiate ourselves with the clergy and followers of the Mother, but how do the nobles approach themselves with the Father? It would seem it's not worth doing so if the only way was to parcel out land and money to the priesthood, seeing as we have little of the latter and none of the former. If there are more simple ways however (e.g. killing bandits, cracking down on corruption), we should probably go about doing so since gaining political power from the Priesthood of the Father would be the better option.

But with that comes more questions. How does favour with the Father translate into political power? According to the OP (Prominent members of the Royal Court) the king either does not have a religious advisor or if he does exist, he isn't considered important. If he was existent and important it would be well worth the effort, as he can say that we would be a much better candidate for kingship than our foreign-religion-friendly uncle or our indifferent half-brother.
Can the Priesthood of the Father excommunicate certain people? If so then that could be a very powerful tool to level against our enemies.

I say we should forget about the Mother entirely. We don't need any public support at the moment and the one noble who might care about the Mother to any greater degree is the knight who's village we saved, and he already loves us. It would just be a waste of time and resources.

If we're going to as the king for some land we could ask for the Countryhouse. What countryhouse you might ask? Why, this one of course:
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When we're older we can ask for the Island Castle to use a staging point for the invasion of Keshla, and then keep it for ourselves afterwards (assuming we didn't incidently start owning Keshla itself, and even then.....)

If possible we should keep informed about possible suitors to the daughter of the Duke that has all the heavy cav. One of our long-term goals should be to marry her but not until we've made friends with some of our other marital options, but we can't marry her if she's already been betrothed to some nobody (or worse: Erik) because we weren't paying attention.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Prince: of Lords and Sorcerers
« on: August 14, 2014, 03:15:46 am »
Hi. I'm new here. I just recently read everything from the original thread up until now. I know what PTW stands for but I don't really know what "watching" does or if you then have to click another button to "watch". If someone could enlighten me it would be much appreciated.

1. Sell small hoard of useless trinkets in Annalysse before leaving.
2. Receive more useless trinkets from adoring peasants on way to Koringberg.
3. Compare Koringberg prices to Annalysse prices.
4. ? ? ? ?
5. PROFIT!!!

We should try to better improve our relations with Erik on the trip to Koringberg, seeing as it has slipped a bit from what it once was and it would doubtlessly prove useful to have him on our side. Besides that, he is our brother in both blood and law and we should treat him as such.

I also have an idea for a little magical experiment. Try to throw a Palm Light. If successful, create two Palm Lights in either hand and try to combine them into one Palm Light of equal size but greater density. Seeing as Palm Lights do generate heat, we may have ourselves a makeshift Fireball, or at least some kind of Blinding Light spell. Maybe.

Assuming it's not OOC it would also be nice to have info about the political influence of the Analyssian church over the nobility and the people. This seems like it would be a rather important thing to consider before we try to become Saint-Pope Raynor I.

One rather IC thing I would like to know about is Raynor's facial hair status. He is a 13 year old boy after all, he'll be eager to start looking manlier and more badass with some hair on his face. Just have him rub his chin or something.

Theorycrafting
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