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It's annoying to have to reset your repeating orders if, for example, you run out of wood and you have many repeating jobs for your carpenter. I already manually suspend my jobs when I'm running out, so why cant that be done automatically. (Correct me if this was already implemented.)

I mentioned apprenticeship as one of the routes we could take into child labor. It would actually make more sense to have apprenticeships with adults. Apprenticing dwarven children would not only somewhat speed up the dwarven work force. Most dwarves would welcome such added efficency. It would also be a good way to train the child to be more than just a peasant when they are adults.

That's the thing about children; sure they're young for about 12 years, but they never intake any actual skill simply by watching the adult dwarves. Only on rare strange moods can they ever gain skill. And since goblins are unethical in every single property, they'll find some way to train a child metalsmith.

Also, I did not say that infants would be able to work right as they were born (not until about 5 or 6). 

Lastly, when up to a third of my fortress population tends to be migrated children, it just makes me want to use them even more. I mean, 12 years is quite a long time to wait and protect them from fun.

I do agree that apprenticeship would be a nice way integrating dwarven children into the workforce, though.

Basically, this is a suggestion to include ethics for making an entity's children work or even fight alongside the adults. Child labor would essentially make children work like other people in the town (they could also become apprentices to adults) so that they can be useful in the fortress. Humans and Animal People would approve of adolescent labor, Dwarves would approve of child labor a few years past babyhood, Goblins and Kobolds would approve of child labor immediately past babyhood, and Elves would not allow child labor finding it misguided. Meanwhile, child warfare would make children either fight alongside, or support the adults warriors. Humans would only allow adolescents supporting the warriors, Dwarves and Animal People would allow only adolescents to fight or support, Kobolds would allow adolescents to fight and support while children a few years past babyhood could only support, and Goblins would allow anybody past babyhood to fight or support including snatchees. I believe adding child labor for some civilizations in DF would finally allow Dwarves to put some of children to use, and add yet another thing which civilizations could argue about.

DISCLAIMER: I do not condone the use of children in slavery or warfare.

This was inspired by the fact that Adamantine is bad for some applications, most noticably blunt weapons. I am trying to mod it so that you can find 2 ores that compliment one another. Both are based on the original adamantine's definition to make sure it stays within the league of the great metal.

First, Mithril. Mithril would have the old adamantines lightness and value. It would be great for sharp weapons, somewhat worse (still better than steel) for armor, and terrible for blunt weapons.

Then, modifying Adamantine. Adamantine would become as heavy as platinum and fairly dull. It would also be worth less than Mithril. It would be fantastic for blunt weapons, much better than Mithril (though still worse than old adamantine) as armor, but terrible for sharp weapons.

The raws are below; feel free to post any suggestions and point out errors. Being not too experienced at modding DF, I'm sure there're ways to improve this.

Refined Metals:

[INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:adamantine]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten adamantine]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling adamantine]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:3:3:0]
[BUILD_COLOR:3:3:0]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:200]
[SPEC_HEAT:7500]
[MELTING_POINT:25000]
[BOILING_POINT:50000]
[ITEMS_WEAPON][ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED][ITEMS_AMMO][ITEMS_DIGGER][ITEMS_ARMOR][ITEMS_ANVIL]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_METAL]
[ITEMS_BARRED]
[ITEMS_SCALED]
[ITEMS_SOFT]
[WAFERS]
[SOLID_DENSITY:21400]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:19770]
[MOLAR_MASS:195084]
[IMPACT_YIELD:4000000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:5000000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:4000000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:5000000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TENSILE_YIELD:4000000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:5000000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TORSION_YIELD:4000000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:5000000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[SHEAR_YIELD:4000000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:5000000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[BENDING_YIELD:4000000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:5000000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[MAX_EDGE:8000]
[DEEP_SPECIAL]
[STOCKPILE_THREAD_METAL]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:BLACK]

[INORGANIC:MITHRIL]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:mithril]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten mithril]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling mithril]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:3:3:1]
[BUILD_COLOR:3:3:1]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:300]
[SPEC_HEAT:7500]
[MELTING_POINT:25000]
[BOILING_POINT:50000]
[ITEMS_WEAPON][ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED][ITEMS_AMMO][ITEMS_DIGGER][ITEMS_ARMOR][ITEMS_ANVIL]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_METAL]
[ITEMS_BARRED]
[ITEMS_SCALED]
[ITEMS_SOFT]
[WAFERS]
[SOLID_DENSITY:200]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:2600]
[MOLAR_MASS:55845]
[IMPACT_YIELD:3000000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:3000000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:3000000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:3000000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TENSILE_YIELD:3000000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:3000000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TORSION_YIELD:3000000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:3000000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[SHEAR_YIELD:3000000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:3000000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[BENDING_YIELD:3000000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:3000000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[MAX_EDGE:150000]
[DEEP_SPECIAL]
[STOCKPILE_THREAD_METAL]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:AQUA]

Raw Metals:

[INORGANIC:RAW_ADAMANTINE]
[ITEM_SYMBOL:'*']
[THREAD_METAL:ADAMANTINE:100]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:raw adamantine]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten raw adamantine]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling raw adamantine]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:3:7:0]
[TILE:139]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:150]
[SPEC_HEAT:7500]
[MELTING_POINT:25000]
[BOILING_POINT:50000]
[SOLID_DENSITY:21400]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:19770]
[MOLAR_MASS:195084]
[IMPACT_YIELD:2500000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:3000000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:2500000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:3000000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TENSILE_YIELD:2500000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:3000000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TORSION_YIELD:2500000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:3000000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[SHEAR_YIELD:2500000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:3000000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[BENDING_YIELD:2500000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:3000000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[DEEP_SPECIAL]
[MAX_EDGE:1000]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[IS_STONE]

[INORGANIC:RAW_MITHRIL]
[ITEM_SYMBOL:'*']
[THREAD_METAL:MITHRIL:100]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:raw mithril]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten raw mithril]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling raw mithril]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:3:7:1]
[TILE:139]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:250]
[SPEC_HEAT:7500]
[MELTING_POINT:25000]
[BOILING_POINT:50000]
[SOLID_DENSITY:200]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:2600]
[MOLAR_MASS:55845]
[IMPACT_YIELD:1500000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:1800000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:1500000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:1800000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TENSILE_YIELD:1500000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:1800000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[TORSION_YIELD:1500000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:1800000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[SHEAR_YIELD:1500000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:1800000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[BENDING_YIELD:1500000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:1800000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:0]
[MAX_EDGE:1000]
[DEEP_SPECIAL]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[IS_STONE]

The implementation of animal people on the surface of savage biomes is a missed opportunity for some fun when they're unarmed and pretty dumb too. If they had something like a wooden mace, blowgun, or even just some sharp stones, they would become capable of being a threat to civilians. Of course, just like the Sub-T animal people, a good military would be able to dispose of them. Still, any sentient creatures (without some sort of effective natural weapon) should at least have basic weapons if they're going to survive (especially with the GIANT creatures). It just seems unnecessary and unrealistic for them to be existing otherwise.

Another problem is that since you can't eat the animal people due to them being sentient and they keep out all the non-sentient creatures, you are forced to waste time chasing them with your axedwarves. I would propose, in savage biomes, having both a wild sentient spawn rate, and a non-sentient spawn rate. This would ascertain the possibility of the animal people spawning alongside the animals rather then replacing them.

My last improvement would be to make them hunt the creatures using their weapons, specifically rock spears and blowguns, and then drag away felled quarry out of the map, with both the meat and the people despawning. Dwarven hunters or other animal people could try to forcefully steal the meat, resulting in conflict. (This could be togglable for dwarves.) They could also help the animal people kill the quarry, and either share the meat or just be greedy and try to take it for themselves. The behavior could be applied to Sub-T animal people too (preferably if they were made to make rock spears). This would make the savage biomes a bit more lively and create competition between dwarves and animal people to gather quarry.

These 3 things would turn overworld animal people from a waste of space and training dummies to competition in hunting, potential threats to civilians, and much more interesting creatures in general.

I really hope it wasn't the leather that killed you. That would be outrageous.

I was fighting this night troll. I was fighting for quite a while, and had gotten the upper hand; I had crippled a leg and done some other damage. All I needed to do now was cripple the weapon hand and i would probably win

The weapon was a fork. Yes. A fork.

But somehow, the troll managed to puncture my lung with this fork. Let me repeat. A fork.

I thought that it wouldn't be too bad; i knew it wasn't deadly despite the game erroneously saying so.

Having one lung pierced means you get winded occasionally, meaning it gets harder for you to do stuff for that turn.

But this turned out to be my undoing, as the troll caught me winded and somehow knocked me out. With a fork.

Then it proceeded to do several more jabs. One of which managed to pierce the skull and kill me.

A fork killed me.

A FORK KILLED ME!

What's next? Spoons? Sticks? Bones? I can understand being stabbed in the heart by a trident, but you shouldn't need armor to help your skull resist a fork. AGAIN. A FORK.

How embarrassing. At least the troll's crippled for life.