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Silver is flimsy and gold is only useful for heat shielding and some electronics purposes, both are shit for my purposes.

Steel and Wood are valuable to me, and I can only use so much of either before stressing myself out using them, so there is indeed an upper limit of both which I would want.

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Tear gas and other such weapons are used to terrify their victims, you use it to make people run blindly away so they're easier to shoot at, there's no "well, tear gas is different because it's not mustard gas" here, yes it's harder to kill with tear gas, it's harder to kill with rubber bullets too, it should still be a war crime to do either to civilians when you have a militarized force undergoing a police action on your soil, and let's not forget shooting medics in there!

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I assure you I wasn't bringing it up out of ignorance, nor was it just out of disgust.

I was specifically bringing it up because cops are trained to act like they're in a warzone and treat civilians like enemy combatants, yet they still plunk chemical weapons into crowds left and right.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 11, 2020, 06:59:26 pm »
Nevermind, I don't care.

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Hrrrm, we dipped down to 373 deaths in one day and we're right back up near a thousand again: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#nav-yesterday

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Sadly no, they began firing at the kids carrying the injured kid, including ones with clear markings indicative of being a medic, prompting loud cries of "WHAT THE FUCK" from them.

You might think "isn't firing on medics against the geneva convention" and you'd be right, so is tear gas... oh well?

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Point being: most people will go through their entire lives doing nothing that would draw the attention of the cops: with or without the police. But that's not all the people, it's just most of the people. The police aren't there because of most people, so saying how most people are, therefore we don't need police at all, is just wrong.

I'd argue this is the least subtle and most apparent reason for cops and governing bodies to exist.

The more subtle reason does actually apply to everyday folks: they have disputes and they're self-interested. Forget serial killers and psychopaths, what about two neighbors arguing about a property line? Garden variety rudeness and anger that explodes into something else, like road rage. Those are the times we want a neutral party in the middle, when in the heat of the moment and long before it goes to the court system.
Cops are not the answer for this, cops are never the answer for anything other than "how do we keep these darkies in line so we can keep getting rich off their labor" and the faster people realize this the faster we can get rid of them.

Yes there are damaged individuals who need help, a cop is not going to help.
Yes there are times where two people feel they have legitimate grievances who need help, a cop is not going to help.
Yes there are times when an actual psychopath has broken into a house and people need help, a cop is as likely to bust into the wrong house and shoot the resident or shoot the people who called as they are to help apparently.

Cops exist to keep a power structure which benefits from and depends on capitalism in place, nothing else. They didn't exist before capitalism took root all over the place, and they don't do anything for you beyond reminding you of your place and the threat of violence if you step out of line.

The only people who want you to believe cops are there to help you are cops and those who want to keep you in a weaker position than they are.

The only people who want you to believe cops are necessary are also cops and those who want to keep you in a weaker position than they are.

Don't help them, it's understandable to be mistaken after literally decades of propaganda and disinformation campaigns, and it can take time to unlearn that shit, but that is what it is: shit.


I mean, for fuck's sake, last week in Austin they had a kid who was shot in the base of the skull with a rubber bullet (less lethal, not non-lethal) and other protestors were asking someone to call an ambulance, some of the cops said to bring the injured kid closer and they could help so they started carrying him over there.

Some of the kids carrying him had actual red crosses sewn onto their clothing, hoping to indicate that they were medics and there to help the wounded.

When they got close, did the cops:

a. call an ambulance
b. begin administering first aid
c. bring the injured kid inside for assistance
d. begin firing bean bag rounds at the kids carrying him

Hint: the letter of the right answer is the only one which isn't part of the acronym it confirms.

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Sociopath =/= Psychopath

I totally agree that they are an alien thing though, and the scary part is when they learn how to fake being totally normal like everyone else.

Jackie would put his mask on and get people laughing and happy and on his side, and I never understood how he did it. He got annoyed that I never seemed to fall for it, made a game out of seeing if he could get me to believe his mask, it was fun to him to try and trick me into not hating him with my every breath.

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1: Not convinced that "eliminate crime entirely" is a feasible goal outside of fundamentally changing what humans are. Which we probably won't be able to accomplish for the next, what? 10-15 years? ;P

Greatly reduce crime, and the kind of crime which would call for an arrest, sure. That mean greatly reducing the need to make arrests, not eliminating the need entirely.
Most people are not monsters, most people are not inherently evil, they gotta learn that shit. I lived with a monster from before I can remember, I couldn't stop him from hurting my mom, so I made sure he saw me seeing him, and when I learned what police were in theory I tried asking a neighbor to call them to help one night when he got especially violent (we had no phone) and said neighbor responded to the 4 year old from next door asking them to call the cops in a reasonable enough fashion by calling the cops, who came and removed Jackie from the house... until that morning when he came back home.

Next time they came and asked them to keep it down basically, I tried to plead with them to help because I couldn't stop him, tried to explain this, and was told that I should go back inside, it was late.

Just because something is wrong doesn't make it a crime apparently, but I knew that if I killed him, even though it was the right thing to do, it would probably be considered a crime so I started working to figure out how I would have to do it to avoid getting attacked by the people who should have helped in the first place, and thankfully before I was big enough and capable enough to do this he offed himself while my mom was living where he couldn't find her.

I know evil, I know what monsters actually are, I can barely stand to watch Alien because it is such a goddamn visceral glimpse into my childhood: being trapped somewhere with a monster you can't stop as it threatens and attacks those you care about.

I honestly and genuinely hope nobody ever has to stare into the eyes of something like him, and it is a rare thing indeed to come across pure psychopaths in the wild.

Sociopathy is what happens when you tamp down anything inside you that says "stop this" and begin trying to emulate monsters, but it is generally a learned process that can be unlearned. A sociopath might end up being reformed and learn how to function normally again, a psychopath just learns how to hide better so they can keep playing with their food. People need to be protected by people who know how to identify psychopaths and either train them via game-reward strategies to behave (negative incentives will not stop a psychopath, let them play a game of slots on a computer and tweak the slots so each win causes the next one to take twice as much time or more before it happens, most people quit playing rapidly, a psychopath doesn't think about the negative results and keeps chasing the positive ones, give them points to hide themselves, bonus points for not doing things like hurting people physically or mentally, it is a promising method apparently), or remove them from society if they can't be manipulated like that.

Without laws that criminalize things only if they're done by the poor or darker skinned portions of a community, without opportunities being deliberately limited for them, without mental and physical healthcare being made prohibitively expensive, without housing and food insecurity, the vast majority of crimes would literally disappear overnight.

These aren't people doing things because "man, I bet it'd be fun to break into that building and steal a TV so we can get a gun and some drugs to go shoot some people while stoned" or something like that. You try to steal a tv so you can fence it and you try to use some of that money to get high because it makes it a little easier to ignore the nagging soreness in your jaw, the clicking twinge in your knee, and the vague feeling everybody is watching you because they know what you were thinking about doing.

Even in the case of cops, most of them need to be indoctrinated into the mindset of "every call could be your last, nobody but your partner has your back out there" before they start bragging to other cops about fucked up shit they've done or viewing it like a game of trying to get people to fuck up so they can arrest them. Then after you get someone in that mindset you task them with responding to a huge range of situations with a limited set of skills, if all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail... if all you have is pepper spray and a pistol...

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Bring it on, little slimy hunter, you are a man, and I fear not the prey of monsters.

Incidentally, a big part of fixing the world and moving beyond capitalism will by necessity involve the very sorts of reforms which people are marching in the streets for at this very moment.

Without the threat of violence keeping a pool of workers desperate enough to accept literally any employment and wages or risk homelessness (which is criminalized), imprisonment (which is often another source of workers at even lower wages), or casually getting murdered... well, capitalism starts to have difficulties... almost like it can't breathe.

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Sorry mister I only send dick pics after the second date, what kind of man do you think I am
You're the one who offered angry make-up sex!

Incidentally capitalist solutions to the dating scene exist, they're usually made of various TPE materials and are priced accordingly. Though still cheaper than spending time and money and effort on self-improvement, wardrobe, exercise, picking up a new hobby, reading more, and similar such actions which will generally end up making you feel better about yourself whether you're in a relationship or not, which of course ends up making you seem more valuable as a mate because we're insane monkeys thrust in a world of high tech madness.

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So what are the functions which are unique to a police force, which wouldn't be better served by some other type of professional?  I recognize the following.
Literally nothing, ask a cop who got out of the bastardry: https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

1.  Arresting suspects following a report of a crime, which should only be necessary in a minority of cases in our modern age of surveillance.  Can be revisited if we dismantle the surveillance state.
Why commit crimes after the massive police budgets are pumped into projects which educate, feed, house, and heal communities?
2.  Responding to reports of violence in progress, with the intent to minimize harm to everyone as much as possible, including suspects
Cops don't do this except so rarely it might as well be accidental.
3.  Partial involvement in investigation
Cops aren't trained for this, it presumes the presence of crimes that wouldn't exist without motivation, desperation, frustration, and lack of medication, security in food, security in residence.

As I understand, this is a minority of what police actually do, and it seems to me like restricting them to specifically these duties with appropriate cuts to size/funding would be incredibly dramatic.  Not abolition, no.  But it would be a dramatic departure from police in their current form.
A pseudo-military branch which was empowered and trained to identify, locate, and prevent outside actors from harming their communities when possible, or if necessary intervene to neutralize threats to their communities already in progress would be the closest remnant to our current police forces... and that should be fucking alarming as shit when you realize what we actually have are not tasked with preventing harm to the communities they work in, are not tasked or trained to prevent shit before it happens, but are definitely equipped like a pseudo-military force.

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Well ok but I'm gonna need to see your junk and ask the missus first.

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I have nothing to contribute to the dating free market (HA HA, CAPITALISM!) discussion as I've been dating the same woman for 17 years next month, and it is literally an entirely different world out there. I mean, we met in a yahoo chat room... do those even exist anymore?

I will say that everybody can probably benefit from learning how to work ideas and phrasing similar to "you're coming across to me like..." into any pre-fight friction point because god damn I wish I had figured that shit out fucking years ago, you're both on the same side, give them an out to sidestep being the bad guy and holy shit where'd the fight go? Oh, I seemed like I was trying to be a dick about my boxer briefs being in the wrong drawer? Shit, my bad, I was just confused and in a hurry so I carried a vague agitation around until I got home, didn't mean to vent at you like that, let's have "we didn't have a knockdown fight and need to make-up" sex now!

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And yet, mathematically speaking, 10^40 years is indeed infinitely closer to zero than to infinity, because math is bullshit and doesn't actually have much to do with this conversation~
That's only timewise before we have to worry about matter falling apart, low end, assuming we can't change that, and assuming we can't get anything worthwhile done in a steadystate looping sort of universe evolution, again, I'm well aware of how infinity works, and chose my words deliberately. Scarcity is nonsense forced on us by capitalism in every case except if you're arguing in favor of natural beauty preservation because it is a unique thing that we can't just replicate or restore right now.

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