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It would be really awesome if we managed to get people to use eutopia rather than (o)utopia, the former means "good place" and starts with a yoo sound, while the latter means "no place" and starts with an oo sound, as it would normally be spelled outopia.

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I know it's a serious discussion but I wonder how far down the rabbit hole of valuations for value-added valuable values we can go?

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Straight up I fully expected that link to be Poker Face due to the ma-ma-ma-ma and it was a trip to be reminded of M.A.S.K.! Do they know... command doesn't start with a K? M.A.S.K.! The things that they turn into, are worse than they were before!

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 05, 2020, 12:41:46 am »
When you look at census numbers you would find something like 10% of rural adults are veterans while only 7% of urban adults are, accordingly you might think there is a significantly larger number of rural enlistments, but we're looking at 10% of less than a fifth of the population vs 7% of the rest of the population aren't we?

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We're not even 10 years away from a serious crisis regarding automation eliminating huge swaths of jobs, but we're never going to just suddenly end up without profit-driven bullshit in the way of better ideas today. So planning for a better way to transition through the automation crisis we're undergoing now could help those ideas come to fruition without the nightmare dystopian timelines where we all have to watch x minutes of ads per day, click on y follow-up links, and go to our designated make-work locations to push pointless buttons so we can get paid well below a living wage to purchase the necessities bestowed on us by our corporate overlords, maybe?

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We're going to see the first wave of protest-spread infections any day now. Wonder if we can charge the fucker who sat with his knee on a dudes neck for four and a half minutes--then remained there for another four minutes or so after the meat stopped being George Floyd anymore--for deaths incurred as a result of protest-spread infections, possibly link in situations where tear gas and trauma led to fatal complications for those involved therein?

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Unless the production methods are self-aware we don't need to worry about their self-ownership, but they're definitely the thing doing the work, and thus the workers.

You could go with your previously sabotaged workers-as-people comparison if automation wasn't already making it problematic for people to figure out what people should do when they get automated out of a job, I suppose?

You could also consider "people own the means of production and as shareholders get to benefit from said production as needed, leaving the pursuits of wants and entertainment and art and exploration and study as prime motivators rather than any financial ones" if you wanted, and I think that would be more relevant now than ever as so many people simply can't and shouldn't risk trying to go work at a time like this, while in a more sane world we would be worrying about people trying to gather audiences to entertain or educate as primary vectors, instead of fast food/grocery/delivery/janitorial workers on the edge of poverty being forced to take those risks.

No rudeness intended, it was teasing because I've seen you say this before myself, and is why I was poking fun at you for apparently forgetting what you clearly already knew.

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Oh dear, Reelya, my sweet summer child, no, no... if you're discussing variations of socialism/communism in terms of "like today but the people in the factory own the factory" then you're falling for the previously-bounded conversational trap which pro-capitalist folks hope you would.

Marx was basically a sci-fi writer who didn't know he was supposed to be putting green skinned babes and laser swords in there.

Capitalism is a stage wherein the means to automate production are likely to be developed due to profit motivated assholes noticing "hey, what's the best way to stop paying workers since slavery was banned and people notice when we start killing them? FIRE THEM AND REPLACE THEM WITH MACHINES!" inevitably.

That tends towards an unstable state inexorably before people start pulling out pitchforks and torches and finding suitable lengths of rope for the nearest tall sturdy tree, and THEN you can start worrying about how to divide up communal use and ownership of said automated production.

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Facebook Archaeologist might just be the saddest thing I've ever thought of in my life...

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So is the problem then that the research should be thrown out, or that the newly limited realm of applicability for the research is less exciting when you discover your hard earned insights about rich white college kids are hard earned insights about rich white college kids?
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Regarding burgerpunk... I'm basically a relic because I would rather sit in a weird spot in the room by the door because I can use a wall mount for one monitor and put my computer close enough to the wifi and the wifi close enough to the modem that I can hit both directly with a wired troubleshooting session spread across either screen and actually enjoy that my nicer monitor (love that IPS shit) doesn't have a VESA option because I've got it on a lazy susan so I can turn it to show the missus stuff easily while storing convenient bolts/nuts/bits/washers/screws/smaller tools under the screen in easy reach.

I was annoyed to learn that not only was the cable modem we'd had for a long time buggy AND slow, comcast had apparently been charging us for it every fucking month and ordered a modem of our own which I had to call a guy in india to fucking hook up properly while making sure they knew I'd be discussing shit with the BBB if those charges for their piece of shit kept going. Have to check regularly to make sure nobody in the house ever looks at the xfinity wifi hotspot because it meters your use and charges for a slower version of the fabulously better wifi our new router spits at us... well, me, everyone else splits the bandwidth, but I'm the only one who can jack into the full 220~ Mbps digital meth goodness. Fuck heroin, gimme an ethernet port on my arm, 10 Gbps or better thanks!

We recently had two dudes that previously rode in the space shuttle get to the jumble of air-filled cans falling across the sky while riding a rocket that had it's first stage politely return to the planet and wait for reuse by the private company that made the damn thing.

You can get completely normal looking glasses with little HUD effects that talk to the internet through the fondleslab in your pocket and let you get notified about the likes you got from the ridiculously high quality pictures your fondleslab pulled in from it's sensors and interpreted smartly enough to tweak the lighting and colors of your mocha foam heart and steam while applying a pleasing bokeh bloom to the background wall and illumination sources.

Despite the onslaught of a global pandemic the stock market has kept going up due to the various tech and infrastructure companies in the right places to massively benefit from the average income of the average person in the US going up courtesy of the government giving brief bursts of helicopter moneymachine going brrrrtttt!

The government is nominally led by a rapacious simpleton weakboy who is only really good at fucking up and only ended up elected due to some piece of shit making literal cancer into a form of "entertainment" called reality tv and getting the hilarious idea of trying to make a total shitsack garbage fire like Trump look like a savvy corporate tycoon without realizing people might believe it wasn't staged scripted bullshit and take the ridiculous joke seriously enough to accidentally the whole presidency.

I'm on no form of social media, I email my mom occasionally, I only check twitter when an actual relevant link in a discussion or article is given, or KSBD seems late, and the rest of the time can't even imagine spending any amount of time sifting through all the bullshit. I'm at a point where facebook is something that happens to other people because every time they try to change something to slip trackers through my armada of blocking mechanisms I update and forcefuck their bullshit to death before it ever gets to the point of my browser trying to request a connection.

I am odd, clinging to my mechanical keyboard and no mouse, two screens and no wifi, existing largely as a me-shaped hole in the pervasive mesh of tracking information woven around the world, using tools with no power source except my own muscles to turn materials or random objects into new and more useful forms, drinking tap water in a big refillable bottle because of a traumatic discovery of sugar ants up under the cap of the horrific poison I used to drink called sprite.

I am uninterested in taking part in much of the world because I would rather deny it the opportunity to influence me, I am an asshole and an anarchist so I either ignore shit or end up plotting how to set it on fire before making it explode. I am poor, but I am free to do what I want in ways that I've found satisfy me. Nonetheless when I look up from the sawdust at the screen or glance outside, I am well aware that I cannot get truly free of capitalist bullshit, similarly I cannot deny that I am in the future.

It is not the future we expected, it is not the future we wanted, it is strange, and banal in so many ways, but it is definitely not lacking the dressings of near-future fiction we used to expect from cyberpunk.

Though Stross says it hasn't aged well, I think he's too critical of his own work and Accelerando remains a fascinating read which certainly didn't age as badly as shit like TNG having big clunky tablets, a barely competent smarthome assistant, and the now laughably pitiful specs and capabilities of the gee-whiz android Data.

I do not envy him trying to write his "present day+lovecraft" series of Laundry novels when shit he thought would be outlandish but semi-plausible keeps getting outdone by reality.

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Eat the... wait, no, I'm gonna be responsible this time...


...COOK the rich first, they probably carry all sorts of nasty diseases.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 01, 2020, 08:26:21 pm »
Note that I posted the picture because the only message it seems to clearly send is: "Want leadership? Look elsewhere, bitches!"

I mean, it's not surprising because I'm sure that is literally what Trump is thinking, he doesn't want to lead, he wants to be the boss like Jimmy Wichard but man, nobody pointed out how cowardly and impotent this looks to the impotent coward so he'd pretend like he wants to get reelected and stay out of prison?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 01, 2020, 04:25:14 am »
I'm already converted, no need to bother, naive anarchist longing for gay space communism a la The Culture here.

Also, how fucking bad at messaging can this dipshit be:

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Checking in from Memphis, I haven't been to any protests BECAUSE THERE IS A FUCKING PANDEMIC STILL GODDAMMIT FUCKING CHRIST WHY IS THIS HARD TO REMEMBER... but from what I've heard of them online they've been peaceful, and I can note I haven't heard gunfire so that's nice.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 01, 2020, 03:42:19 am »
It was a trip watching that thread shared where the dude lays out the problems with capitalism and points out why the conversation is steered to avoid any progress towards solving those problems--as it generally involves getting rid of the capitalism part--and acting like obviously capitalism is the best because it's the best if it wasn't the best it wouldn't be called capitalism right?

You people are arguing against the idea that it's problematic to have a small group of people say "all this stuff is mine forever" or "I made this so I get paid for it exclusively forever and my kids do too" when it's so obviously a problem.

I don't need a billionaire lifestyle, I don't want one, that kind of wasteful spending and accumulation would personally wrack me with guilt constantly. Living comfortably enough that I could afford to get my fucking teeth fixed would be awesome, there is clearly enough stuff in the world, we could distribute it well enough but we're stuck in this mindset by... you guessed it: people and things which benefit from it.

No, corporations aren't people, until we can execute them they need to fucking suffer in their role as subservient things.

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