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@Boltgun

Have you cleared out any conflict they are involved in?

I essentially haven't done anything with DF for a couple of years (still waiting for a playable version, first it was the mess left when the Premium tangent started, and then it was the removal of keyboard support), so the memory is rather fuzzy, but there's a structure that keeps track of conflicts and you could deal with invasion triggered conflict cascades by setting the conflict level in these structures to a non lethal brawl level rather than to the death. I suspect (former) enemies may still have such a lingering hostility structure.

1. Is still the case that the map rework is required before adventure mode? This means world generation is being reworked, right?

2. Do you plan to add ways to influence world generation beyond parameters? E.g. civ placement, a "pre history" terrain editor, a way to influence the chronology of creation, design a god to be worshipped, way to more precisely choose how many of each type of civ will be added etc.

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(I know choosing the number of each civ for world generation can be done already by editing RAWs but it's cumbersome)

1. There have been some limited map handling changes with the Premium release, but the talk about separating the map into layers that can be loaded independently to facilitate adventure mode in particular (and enable new functionality generally) is part of the map rewrite and will not be connected to the current/near future adventure mode update. It's possible the map rewrite will enable new adventure mode stuff that might be performed in post map rewrite updates, but the same is true with other future changes, such as workshop restructuring and moving "terrain". It's a cycle of providing new functionality and making use of it.
Note that I'm trying to build upon Putnam's response, not contradict it in any way.

2. DF had a horrible mouse only map editor pre Premium (I don't know if it still remains, but it probably does), and there were a number of scripts that could be used with DFHack to modify terrain (they don't work post the Premium release because they haven't been updated to work with the new UI, and they don't have a chance to be modified to work post Premium until full keyboard support has been restored to DF. It's possible that a mouse only version could be implemented by someone interested in doing that, though).

Civ placement can be affected via RAWs as well (what type of terrain a race's civs can start in and expand to).

As far a I know the intention is to allow myth generation to use player supplied pre generated RAWs instead of generating new ones for parts of the process when provided, including using player supplied deity RAWs instead of generting ones. How this pans out and whether there will be restrictions mostly won't be known until the myth implementation is actually performed, though.

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I made those relationship checks 10x as fast by just introducing a little caching, turning the checks from O(logn) to amortized O(1)--multithreading is an O(1) speedup, so improvements in algorithms will win just about 100% of the time, and this is a great example of that

Expressing strong support for Putnam here: When looking to make things faster, first try to improve/replace the algorithms, then retry to improve the algorithms, then again try to improve the algorithms. After that you may start to look for optimizations (and while doing that, keep an eye open for algorithm improvements).
It's also the case that an algorithm that was good once upon a time may become less suited to its ever expanding set of tasks as years go by, so a need to replace an algorithm isn't automatically a sign of a bad design.

This is my first time writing here so please warn me If I do something wrong, thank you.

1- About myth&magic update, myth generator will create random people and creatures but how will you make their designs in game if they are completely random? I remember I saw something like ''lizard with exposed brain'' this could be easy since we have lizard design but how will you do every random creatures' design?
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1. It's not random, but procedurally generated. This means there will be a framework that specifies the things that can be generated for each parameter and logic tied to that to produce the resulting abilities and properties when these elements are combined. It's definitely not trivial, but it's something that's been used by DF as a fundamental element throughout the development, so it's something Toady is very familiar with.

@Aerth: Legends Viewer was able to use the vanilla Legends Mode exported files only for a limited view of the info, or that together with the information exported by the DFHack supplemental script for the more complete picture (but still not fully complete). The usage of past tense indicates it reflects the pre Premium release status, and doesn't indicate the future, in which I hope Legends Viewer will again be able to augment the game play.

As Shonai_Dweller said, it might be possible to modify the DFHack supplement to export some or all of the data DF hasn't yet restored, but it's likely a waste of effort for something that's likely to be restored before too long.

So, the DFHack export functionality triggers the vanilla one as well as adding additional info its own script collects (ideally DF itself would export that info as well, as the DF team is much less likely to misinterpret the data than the DFHack community is. I wouldn't be surprised if the vanilla exports would eventually grow to include things the DFHack supplement provided (and probably will provide again once things are back to normal)).

I've managed to update the script to mostly work with the Premium release. The help key doesn't work as the keyboard support was removed. A work around to bind it directly to the question mark was introduced, and while it doesn't work, it also doesn't prevent the script from being parsed.

Extremely limited testing on a save with books in it. I didn't see any problems in that very limited test. The script may be based on an old version, as the revision was old, for some strange reason.
The contents of the link on the first page has been updated.

Edit: The updated version was based on an old version. 0.21 is based on 0.19, with the same (?) limited set of changes. The help key still doesn't work.

I apologize if this has been asked, but will there be an option for legacy controls? I can't really play the new version. Too many years with the old. I know that's a me problem, but figured might as well throw my two bits in.

There are a few reasons for why restoration of keyboard control won't use the same key bindings:
- The keyboard controls were very inconsistent (a number of different schemes for what was essentially the same control action used in different places), and that's rather messy for newcomers and not great overall.
- Functionality has been shifted around, so some new functionality isn't really the same as any of the old ones. Binding the old key to to something that's sort of the closest to an old usage isn't exactly great.
- When restoring keyboard control (it was intended to be almost entirely scrapped last summer) for a new audience provides an opportunity to not only consolidate "the same" actions to use the same keys throughout, but also to reshuffle keys bindings to keys that make more overall sense currently, rather than using whatever free key that sort of could be connected to some new functionality when that was added.

Will it be a pain to relearn keys? Yes.
Will it result in usage of muscle memory that's no longer correct for years to come? Yes.
Will it be better in the long run even for dinosaurs like me? Yes, unless the ability to form new memories have failed, in which case the game will probably be unplayable anyway.

I think it will be possible to change the key bindings, but I suspect it won't be worth the effort unless you need to because your (non US) keyboard doesn't provide a reasonable access to some keys (like everything that's used to "build" composite characters out of a modifier and a base character, like e.g. î on mine, where the circumflex isn't printable with a single key press, at least with normal keyboard processing routines).