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Doom 3D was not, actually, 3D. At least world and movement-wise. Graphically, the art style it used was fairly convincingly 3D, at least in still frames or single perspective, if pixellated.

Think about it, the world is actually still in a 2D plane. There is no up or down. At the time it was a new perspective, sure, but ultimately the movement wasn't actually that different to something like the original 2 GTA games.

I get a bad gut feeling from everything. (I have stomach problems. :v)

Silly jokes aside... I can see this blowing up a bit.

Sorry, missed this.

If you look at it as a the data that it is (i.e., murders per 100,000 people), then yes. One is at .0001% of people being murdered, and the other is at .0003% of people being murdered. Heck, statistically the US is only a little beyond one standard deviation from Europe! Your chance of death on the street is functionally equivalent, and when you are dealing with numbers that tiny it's very easy to get a significant difference just from other influences.

So yeah, it's a rather small difference in overall rates statistically.

With a sample size that large, I believe outliers are pretty much already accounted for. We aren't comparing beaches, we're comparing countries.

Skyrim truly was too saturated, though. I feel like Morrowind hit the right balance, aside from having significantly more entertaining travel methods (that actually improved as the game went along. You got faster, you got access to better spells, etc.) there were enough things in the game world that you'd run into them often enough, but they were spread far enough that finding one felt like a genuine discovery. On the contrast, I can't help but sigh when I play Skyrim and see eight markers on my compass.

Actually, I think that's the issue. The compass that tells you about all the locations before you've found them. If FO4 has a similar mechanic, I'll see if I can find or make myself a mod that gets rid of the unfound locations markers.

It's not like Morrowind was perfect, either. Some thing (especially the shrine of Moon and Stars) was a enormous pain in the ass to find. Though that also made it more enjoyable when you did find it.

Exploring in Morrowind is fun, in Skyrim it isn't, since you know where everything is before you find it anyway.
Actually, I think that's the difference. If I were to describe the paths you take, Skyrim is full of straight lines from locaton to location, looking at the compass more than the actual screen. In Morrowind you meander, get distracted, spot something interesting and go over to check it out. You meander, you actually search for things, and since it isn't as saturated finding something's a genuinejoy. I remember the first time I played Morrowind I stumbled onto a Daedric Shrine all by myself and was like "Whoaaah, this place is awesome. I wonder what I can find?"

Morrowind also had better travel methods, so it was more fun.

Skyrim: Walk, Horse, Fast-travel.

Morrowind: Flying, Jumping, Teleporting (Mages Guild + Interventions + Mark/Recall), Silt-striders, boats, running reallyreallyreallyfast.

Generating content? Yes.
Entertaining? Ehhhh~~~, so-so. Some was good, some was bad.

Quote from: Sensei on June 23, 2015, 01:21:48 am

Quote from: Putnam on June 22, 2015, 10:13:31 pm

hilariously

every single one of Bethesda's games except Daggerfall have gigantic amounts of spatial compression so that they don't be like... daggerfall.

Yup. It's not the size, kids, it's how much unique stuff you fit in.

Also, it takes several minutes to traverse one pixel of the Daggerfall map, making the huge expansive world largely theoretical since it'd be impossible (for any sane person) to beat the game without instantly fast-travelling to every destination anyway.

If the Beth games didn't have a terribru engine you could use vehicles of some description. :v