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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Steam-ing Pile of Edition
« on: December 27, 2014, 05:53:45 pm »
Quote from: nenjin on December 27, 2014, 05:06:44 pm
Quote from: UXLZ on December 27, 2014, 04:52:40 pm
Quote from: Putnam on December 27, 2014, 04:45:57 pm
"The more deeply people play Smash Bros., the more they start seeking higher levels of precision in the gameplay. At the end, this leads them to prefer the Final Destination stage with no obstacles, no items, certain stock settings, etc."

goddammit do people get all of their ideas of how competitive smash works from youtube comments

Hey, I prefer the final destination stage because it lets me fight 1v3 against max level opponents without getting screwed over by geometry. Then again, this is Brawl I'm talking about. I've preferred no items since Melee anyway (where my favorite stage was Hyrule Temple because the stage and the music were freaking awesome! I also haaated FD back then.)

RAGE:
Finding a good Warhammer game that isn't DoW 1 or 2 or a Third Person Action Game. I want a freaking W40K RPG!

Obligatory.

I've seen that and I hope so, so much it turns out well, but I don't have very high expectations.

Quote from: SealyStar on December 27, 2014, 05:08:40 pm
Quote from: Putnam on December 27, 2014, 04:45:57 pm
"The more deeply people play Smash Bros., the more they start seeking higher levels of precision in the gameplay. At the end, this leads them to prefer the Final Destination stage with no obstacles, no items, certain stock settings, etc."

goddammit do people get all of their ideas of how competitive smash works from youtube comments
"No items, Fox only, Final Destination"

While the Final Destination part is an exaggeration, competitive Smash is pretty damn dry compared with the normal game because they seek to eliminate every bit of "unfair" randomness from it. That means no items without exception and certain stages often banned because of the potential "environmental KOs" with minimal player interaction. There are people who consider Melee superior to Brawl for competitions solely on the basis of the 1-in-100ish random "tripping" when you sprint in the latter.

Sakurai is an attentive motherfucker.

Fox was only overpowered in Melee (my favorite character, though this was before I actually knew he was considered overpowered/T1 by the competitive scene.
Tripping was a pain in the ass though.
The main thing I hated about items were the PokeBalls and assist trophies. If you got lucky and had one spawn right next to you it could win you the entire game by itself.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Steam-ing Pile of Edition
« on: December 27, 2014, 04:52:40 pm »
Quote from: Putnam on December 27, 2014, 04:45:57 pm
"The more deeply people play Smash Bros., the more they start seeking higher levels of precision in the gameplay. At the end, this leads them to prefer the Final Destination stage with no obstacles, no items, certain stock settings, etc."

goddammit do people get all of their ideas of how competitive smash works from youtube comments

Hey, I prefer the final destination stage because it lets me fight 1v3 against max level opponents without getting screwed over by geometry. Then again, this is Brawl I'm talking about. I've preferred no items since Melee anyway (where my favorite stage was Hyrule Temple because the stage and the music were freaking awesome! I also haaated FD back then.)

RAGE:
Finding a good Warhammer game that isn't DoW 1 or 2 or a Third Person Action Game. I want a freaking W40K RPG!

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Other Games / Re: How did you last die?
« on: December 27, 2014, 04:30:12 pm »
Killed instantly by a f*cking tank I couldn't even see. Every time, all the time.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: Let's Play Pokemon Tabletop United: The Hira Region (OOC Thread)
« on: December 27, 2014, 04:19:22 pm »
@Neon
That kind of situation would be unlikely to happen because the Lvl 100. would move first due to its massively higher speed and then one-shot you.


@GM
Since I'm heading back to town, would I be able to get my new Pokemon's info soonish?
Also, is duskull rare or something? Did I catch it too easily? >_>

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: December 27, 2014, 04:16:10 pm »
Guys, I wasn't talking about the religion thread. T_T

No, I'm talking about in-person stuff. Just seeing people have no control over their emotions (or rather, the affects their emotions have on their actions) irritates me unbelievably. I just simply cannot understand how people are so... I don't even know the word for it!
Text stuff is mainly just people making misinterpretations.

WTF: Everyone's avatars constantly changing. Arx explained it, though.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 04:09:20 pm »
I'd just like to say that, as someone who has been vegetarian for basically my whole life, it's quite possible to live without consuming most animal products and still eat well (of course, I do still eat eggs and stuff, dairy and so on. I'm not vegan). I'm not really a vegetarian due to moral issues though, I just think that breeding sheep/cows/whatever to eat is incredibly wasteful in terms of purely food production. It gives negative returns. We're using a lot of resources just so some guy can drool over his holy steak that tastes like craaaaaap, but I massively derail.

@Dwarfy
If humans have no qualities that distinguish us from animals then why are we in the situation we're in (being massively dominant) rather than being in relatively equal footing?
It can't be entirely up to luck, you know.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 03:57:38 pm »
Quote from: Arcvasti on December 27, 2014, 03:32:47 pm
Quote from: UXLZ on December 27, 2014, 02:46:00 pm
Quote from: Arcvasti on December 27, 2014, 02:29:45 pm
Not really sure. What I can extrapolate from the Bible, is that Lucifer[I'll call him "Lucy" for short] wanted mankind to be able to perceive good and evil. God wanted them to be ignorant, because They knew that, given knowledge of good and evil, they could choose evil, which was bad. After the whole Garden debacle, Lucy was stripped of his wings[Dragon turned to serpent] and cast down. Not really sure what canonically hapens afterwards. The Bible describes Lucy a fair bit less then the actual Church does[See "Shitty fanfics, above"]. In any case, according to Revelation[Questionable canon, please take with 1/12th of a saltshaker], Lucy would be cast into Hell[Described as a pit of burning brimstone] for eternity at the same time as everyone else at the Last Judgement. Not ruling it. IN it.

That seems logical, though I think we're better off going purely with what's in the Bible. Everything else is... Questionable, at best, one would think, being written by humans, who are flawed. I think the original bible was written by God on golden tablets or something though I may be getting confused.

Let me backpedal a bit though... I thought free will was something God gave to humans (that is, the ability to choose)? Was it Lucy instead, and God merely chose not to immediately take free will away thus 'giving' it to humans?
Also, can you please fill me in on a bit of the context I must be missing? Because that short version is seriously, seriously making me think Lucy was the 'good guy' in this scenario. Actually, I think I remember hearing something else and actually thinking that I sympathized a lot more with Lucy than with God, which will probably condemn me to hell or something. Anyway, what am I missing?
Also, how could Lucy possibly have done something against God's wishes? It's omniscient and omnipotent (apparently), so I can't understand how Lucy was able to get around that and actually do something that God truly, seriously didn't want Lucy to do (as opposed to just something God said It didn't want Lucy to do but it was Just As Planned all along. Actually, given my understanding of God it seems to be totally impossible for something to *not* be Just As Planned). Is there some sort of clause exempting the angels from God's direct influence or something? Seriously, what am I missing? >_>

Humans already HAD free will, sort of. This is demonstrated by them going against God's command and eating the fruit. Couldn't have happened if they didn't have free will. What they lacked was knowledge of good and evil, which meant they were ignorant. God didn't want them to have that knowledge, deeming it too harmful. But They also gave humankind the capacity to gain it if they wanted to, with the tree of good and evil. Its entirely possible They would have shared it with humankind at a later date, as a step towards enlightenment or somesuch. As for Lucy being in the right? Its quite possible Lucy started out as having philosophical differences with God and had benign, if misguided intentions. But, according to Revelation[And it might also have been mentioned in other places too, can't remember],Lucy then tried to stage a coup with a cadre[A third of them, according to Revelation] of like-minded angels instead of trying to justify his action. Things devolved from there.

This seems to paint Lucy as a benign hero with well-intentioned actions, who later falls into despair and attempts to claw its way out of its terrible situation, only to fail and be cast to ruins. Did Lucy ever actually do anything insanely bad? I dunno, even with the extra filling-in I can't help but think of Lucy as 'the good guy', and God as the 'it's for their own good' asshat. Of course, it probably was for their own good, but when you have a being with (supposedly) unlimited knowledge and power it's hard to paint anything they do that isn't 'make everything awesome and perfect forever' as a 'good' thing due to the contrast so it's not really God's fault. (the knowledge is especially bad. For instance, It essentially created Lucy to do that stuff with humans and then be exiled, since It knew every action Lucy would take since Lucy was created, at least, that's how it seems to me. Once again, is there a clause that exempts angels from God's direct influence?). It just seems like Lucy made a stupid mistake and both it and God over reacted. >_>

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Sentience =/= Sapience.


I always get the damn things confused. >_>

@Arcvasti
Alternate interpretation of God. Not challenging anything here.

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It is simply another creature with a burden that we do not share.
Constant awareness of every human thought.
It explains a fair bit.
Explains Its desire to keep the fruit of the tree of knowledge away from Adam and Eve,
Explains the mass extinctions of humanity
Explains the lack of direct intervention as population has increased.

There are conflicts since this interpretation doesn't seem to pain God as a being of infinite power and knowledge, just an unfortunate entity with a crippling burden.
It also paints God as a far more understandable figure and doesn't invoke my rules for whether the comprehension of (a) God is possible.
Anyway, thoughts?

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 03:28:34 pm »
Quote from: smeeprocket on December 27, 2014, 03:23:56 pm
Quote from: UXLZ on December 27, 2014, 03:22:09 pm
Demonstrably possibly false.

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The scientific status of "consciousness" in animals continues to be hotly debated

tbf, all evidence points to it being false. But once you start attributing creatures like rats as sentients, you can't just test on them in a myriad of oftentimes sadistic and unnecessary ways. A moral dilemma arises that no one wants to confront.

Yeah, I hadn't finished reading.

http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf

That was from 2012, but you'd think something as important as 'Animals are self-aware and conscious' would have created more noise. I've never even heard of the damn thing.
Then again, we already knew they were capable of pain and such and didn't seem to care to much. 
Anyway, massive derailing aside:

Arx: Thanks.

Christians
Still looking for the answers to these.

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Why does it carry on to every person? Is there a reason for it that's stated or is it a 'just 'cause' situation? (Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that humans no longer inherited the sin due to Jesus' sacrifice or something, but still had to deal with the consequences despite not inheriting the sin itself. I could be totally remembering wrong though, or it could be from another type of Christianity.)

Sounds about right. Is it a clouds-in-the-sky type deal or do you think it shifts to accommodate the preferences of each person?


Wait, so what happens to the humans who die but aren't eligible for heaven? Is everyone just going to wait until Judgement to get sent to their respective paradise and punishment?
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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 03:22:09 pm »
Demonstrably possibly false.

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The scientific status of "consciousness" in animals continues to be hotly debated

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 03:17:52 pm »
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What do we display that other animals do not? What makes humanity any better? We have all the same vices present in the animal kingdom, and all the same redeeming qualities.

Actually, Ii'd argue that we have both more vices and redeeming qualities.
I'm not sure about what Cryxis thinks, but the obvious answer is sapience. We (well, I) can't actually be sure that animals aren't sapient/sentient, truthfully, but neither can I claim to be sure about the level of intelligent thought of say, a rock.
Also, the ability to save another species' from extinction (though I wouldn't say the ability to wipe another one out is unique.)
Large-scale fighting within the species. (Wars)
Advanced technology beyond simple tools.
Complex speech.

Some of these are admittedly not intrinsic to humans and are rather developments that have occurred over time, and animals could be capable of complex speech that is simply beyond our knowledge. Though once again, the same could also be said of a rock. Or an atom.

@Arx
Why the hell did your avatar wink at me?
Also, I'd swear everyone but Cryxis is changing their avatar every time they make a post. Am I just insane?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: December 27, 2014, 03:10:03 pm »
Why does nobody seem to be capable of controlling their emotions when talking about (admittedly somewhat personal) issues and inevitably devolve into nigh-hysteria?
Why do people start yelling and swearing at a computer, banging the mouse and slamming the sound system? What about wanting to take attachments that have malfunctioned a single time and running them over with a car?

Seriously, WHY IS NOBODY CAPABLE OF REMAINING RATIONAL RATHER THAN GETTING OVERWHELMED BY THEIR EMOTIONS!? What the HELL!?
Far too often I feel like the Only Sane Man.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony of this post.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 03:02:28 pm »
Even if animals are solely for human use God obviously gave them emotions, if not sapience. One would think that willfully causing another thing suffering, even if it was soulless, would be perceived as bad by God.
As, indeed, would slaughtering random wild animals needlessly. They're there to maintain the planet's ecosystem, as I'm pretty sure It isn't actively doing the gardening.

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I did? Well, I wasn't aware it was particularly loaded in any case, just an emotive way to ask the question.

I think so, at least. I dunno, maybe I read it wrong but the question seemed to imply that 'if you believe that animals are solely for human use you are supportive of animal cruelty and an inhuman monster.' Maybe I read too much into it, though.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Let's Play Pokemon Tabletop United! (In Game) Chapter 1: Rocky
« on: December 27, 2014, 02:57:15 pm »
((OOC: Bu-but, training opportunity! D;)

I intend to head off back towards town, attempting to stay out of sight whenever possible.

"I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to turn this mission in to the Sargent. Charles can take care of himself, just leave a note telling him what you've done if you want to come with me. Try to stick further back, though. I'll stay ahead to scout."

I turn to the Froakie as I'm heading away

"Come, Nirvana, but try to remain unseen."

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 02:46:00 pm »
Quote from: Arcvasti on December 27, 2014, 02:29:45 pm
Not really sure. What I can extrapolate from the Bible, is that Lucifer[I'll call him "Lucy" for short] wanted mankind to be able to perceive good and evil. God wanted them to be ignorant, because They knew that, given knowledge of good and evil, they could choose evil, which was bad. After the whole Garden debacle, Lucy was stripped of his wings[Dragon turned to serpent] and cast down. Not really sure what canonically hapens afterwards. The Bible describes Lucy a fair bit less then the actual Church does[See "Shitty fanfics, above"]. In any case, according to Revelation[Questionable canon, please take with 1/12th of a saltshaker], Lucy would be cast into Hell[Described as a pit of burning brimstone] for eternity at the same time as everyone else at the Last Judgement. Not ruling it. IN it.

That seems logical, though I think we're better off going purely with what's in the Bible. Everything else is... Questionable, at best, one would think, being written by humans, who are flawed. I think the original bible was written by God on golden tablets or something though I may be getting confused.

Let me backpedal a bit though... I thought free will was something God gave to humans (that is, the ability to choose)? Was it Lucy instead, and God merely chose not to immediately take free will away thus 'giving' it to humans?
Also, can you please fill me in on a bit of the context I must be missing? Because that short version is seriously, seriously making me think Lucy was the 'good guy' in this scenario. Actually, I think I remember hearing something else and actually thinking that I sympathized a lot more with Lucy than with God, which will probably condemn me to hell or something. Anyway, what am I missing?
Also, how could Lucy possibly have done something against God's wishes? It's omniscient and omnipotent (apparently), so I can't understand how Lucy was able to get around that and actually do something that God truly, seriously didn't want Lucy to do (as opposed to just something God said It didn't want Lucy to do but it was Just As Planned all along. Actually, given my understanding of God it seems to be totally impossible for something to *not* be Just As Planned). Is there some sort of clause exempting the angels from God's direct influence or something? Seriously, what am I missing? >_>


Also, Dwarfy, I read the question about stabbing the puppy and did think it was really heavily loaded. Which I've been guilty of myself, actually, I think you said that I was guilty of it. >_>

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 27, 2014, 02:32:11 pm »
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Original sin is what Adam and Eve did by disobeying god and that sin carries on into every person
Heaven is a perfect place with no sin or shame that god set up for everyone that becomes saved
I don't exactly understand the who betrayed Jesus question
 Satan is not the ruler of hell. Actualy if we are talking right now, hell hasn't been opened up yet IIRC it opens up after judgment. Santa  was actually given a lot of power on earth. I'm not entirly sure if the fallen angels are in a hell like place though......

Why does it carry on to every person? Is there a reason for it that's stated or is it a 'just 'cause' situation? (Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that humans no longer inherited the sin due to Jesus' sacrifice or something, but still had to deal with the consequences despite not inheriting the sin itself. I could be totally remembering wrong though, or it could be from another type of Christianity.)

Sounds about right. Is it a clouds-in-the-sky type deal or do you think it shifts to accommodate the preferences of each person?

This one was more just information seeking. Someone betrayed Jesus (I think it was Judas or something?) and I didn't feel like googling it so I thought to just ask it here along with the other questions. I was also wondering *why* that person betrayed Jesus (jealousy, loathing, religious disagreement and so on.)

Wait, so what happens to the humans who die but aren't eligible for heaven? Is everyone just going to wait until Judgement to get sent to their respective paradise and punishment?
Yes, Santa is the greatest of all, lo as he comes on the 25th, bearing gifts! I'm assuming that's just a typo. xD
Sorry Arcvasti.

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