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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: December 25, 2014, 08:50:28 pm »
One thing giving them all tanks could solve would be the 'b-but I was threatened!' excuses.

'Officer Testytrigger, you are here today because you stand accused of using excessive violence in the case of one 'Iwaswalkindownthestreet. What say you?'.

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Spoiler: Police With Tanks (click to show/hide)
On second thoughts, not such a good idea...


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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 25, 2014, 10:51:30 am »
Quote number one!

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Consider an uncollapsed quantum wave function.


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All That Is isn't actually complete.

Again, uncollapsed quantum wave function. The only difference between this universe and all possible universes is that you're observing this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

If that is an accurate description of "objective" reality, then All That Is is functionally equivalent to All That Could Possibly Be.

Sorry, I was kind of just using All That Is as an entirely literal interpretation (that is, only things that exist at the specific moment of 'now', not including things in the past or future.)
Yet that still doesn't include All That Could Not Possibly Be, does it?
Hence, there is still something that God does not contain.
Hence, imperfect.
Quote number two~

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it's different to the normal kind of "Omnipotence" ascribed to a 'God' (that is, being capable of literally everything.

Yes. But most people seem to think of god as a bearded man in the sky who wants worship and cares who you have sex with. The concepts we're discussing are simply beyond what most people are capable of conceiving. You don't start kindergarteners with calculus. You teach them how to add first.

You seem to have overestimated me. I'm a mere high schooler, nothing more, nothing less.
Regardless, as you may have understood from the quote of myself in my reply to you, that isn't my interpretation of God at all. I believe that a god like that could exist, with the caveat being, as always, It cannot be Utterly Perfect. This is probably the most concise summary: Its motives cannot be discerned, its thoughts cannot be inferred, its existence cannot be comprehended.
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Going with the interpretation that God Is Everything, It isn't an entity because It cannot interact.

You are I are interacting right now.

This, incidentally, may be the answer to the great question: "Why?"

Yes. However, you may have possibly misunderstood what I meant by that: You are something outside of my system. If you were part of my system, then interacting with you would not make me an entity. However, as I said, you are not, and thus I am indeed an entity. God, if we are using the interpretation you proposed (which is an interesting theory that I've thought about before but never really discussed) then It is Everything. There is nothing outside of It. It cannot interact (with something outside of Itself) so It is simply a system, and not an entity.

Does this last past refer to the above or what came next? (Answer to the question.) My apologies, but I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest.
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Where do you believe 'God' came from?

I'm not in a very good position to to say, and I'm more comfortable with "I don't know" than speculating turtles.

But one possibility I occasionally consider:

x^3 + y^3 + z^3 - 3xyz - (x+y+z) * (x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - yz - zx - xy)

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Although I suspect that's more probably an explanation for the existence of the universe. As for "God," "the system" ...the very possibility of a thing like possibility existing...I just don't know. I can't even say with certainty that physical reality actually exists as anything besides a hallucinated experience. I'm not in a position to answer your question.

Mmm... I may be misunderstanding once again, but are you suggesting that, as that maths equation did, 'God'/the universe is simply something born of nothing? Ultimately it equals zero but there is an expression for it that has substance. I'm not sure if the fact that there are three different pro numerals has something to do with the fact (well, nothing is really 'fact', but the perceived fact) that there are three physical dimensions.
If I haven't misinterpreted here, then I think that agrees with something I hold to be mostly true:
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I think I'm reading too much into this, though.

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Not particularly. Lytherus appears to be a general gaming/fiction website, and my first thought upon seeing IF is Ironforge.

Never mind then. Bucket was a member of a place lost to time, which I miss quite dearly. You have no resemblance to him, but I thought it worth to check. If those things mean nothing to you, then that is all I needed to know.

One last thing: what once was my favorite phrase, 'Who knows? Not I' has now slipped away. I wonder why. I no nothing more than I once did then. Everything has simply... Disappeared.

Why does time destroy all things? No... Not destroy... Destroy is too active, too glamorous. It simply... Erodes.
As The Hobbit once so aptly put: 'This thing all things devours...'

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Let's Play Pokemon Tabletop United! (In Game) Chapter 1: Rocky
« on: December 25, 2014, 05:48:28 am »
"Tch... I'm sorry Kuunokuu."

"Alright Ghost, you're going down!"

Throw Pokeball at ghost

If possible:
Send out the Froakie

"Sorry Nirvana. I'm throwing you into a really dangerous situation."

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 24, 2014, 08:51:23 pm »
Quote from: Ghills on December 24, 2014, 06:53:08 pm
Quote from: UXLZ on December 24, 2014, 06:44:41 pm
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Quote from: smeeprocket on December 24, 2014, 12:16:19 pm
All Christians

Just curious how you feel about the virgin birth of Jesus, the fact that no consent was involved, and there for it's pretty...rapey.

There was totally consent involved. Mary said 'Behold, the handmaiden of the Lord', at least in my Bible.

Admittedly, my sect (LDS/Mormons) also teach that agency and choices are one of the primary things that distinguish God from Satan -Satan is Satan because he wanted to turn everyone into his sockpuppets 'for their own good', essentially.  So I'm reading the text from that perspective. 

As for the virgin part - that's why it's a miracle. :)

God's existence basically negates 'free will' by principle. (The monotheistic 'ultimate creator' one at least.)

Nope. The standard Catholic or Protestant reading may - I've never really followed all of their opinions on what God is - but in LDS theology free will is the whole point of life.

While God is our Heavenly Father, who may know everything, we don't. And we need to learn ourselves, to learn what we truly value and what choices we make under pressure. So He made this world for us to live in and make choices in - choices that He will guide us in if we seek His guidance, but not choices that He is going to force, because Him forcing choices would utterly thwart the point of the life.  At the end of this life, the sum of our actions speak to our character and to where we want to spend eternity.  Without going through life and making those choices, we wouldn't grow and so we wouldn't be ready for the next step, much like kids can't do algebra without learning arithmetic.

http://www.mormon.org/values/choice has a more detailed explanation.

Yes, but God is omnipotent and Utterly Perfect and all that jazz. It knows exactly how everything will happen, from the very start. In the event of such a being's existence we have no more free will than the characters in a linear video game. The illusion, yes, but not the substance. However, this is only true in the event that God truly is Utterly Perfect and omniscient. If there is a blind spot, some blind spot, no matter how minute, then free will can be said to exist. Otherwise... As I said, no more than an illusion.

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Other Games / Re: Gaming Pet Peeves
« on: December 24, 2014, 06:54:34 pm »
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Do note I'm referring to the fact that you have to be online to play single player, not that servers don't always function perfectly.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 24, 2014, 06:44:41 pm »
Quote from: Ghills on December 24, 2014, 06:29:32 pm
Quote from: smeeprocket on December 24, 2014, 12:16:19 pm
All Christians

Just curious how you feel about the virgin birth of Jesus, the fact that no consent was involved, and there for it's pretty...rapey.

There was totally consent involved. Mary said 'Behold, the handmaiden of the Lord', at least in my Bible.

Admittedly, my sect (LDS/Mormons) also teach that agency and choices are one of the primary things that distinguish God from Satan -Satan is Satan because he wanted to turn everyone into his sockpuppets 'for their own good', essentially.  So I'm reading the text from that perspective. 

As for the virgin part - that's why it's a miracle. :)

God's existence basically negates 'free will' by principle. (The monotheistic 'ultimate creator' one at least.)
At least, it does if It's omniscient. (Though not necessarily if It's Omnipotent. Though I still don't believe it's even possible)

Quote from: Th4DwArfY1 on December 24, 2014, 06:36:59 pm
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As for the virgin part - that's why it's a miracle. :)

Convenient then that those who were devout to Jesus, and writing this book, wrote of this miraculous birth...

If it were modern day, that would be called propaganda.

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He personally doesn't shake it off, though, at least not that I see.
Nope, but those writing the texts would only really know Jesus was born out of wed lock...what's the best way to put a spin on that?

Our Prophet is Best Prophet?
(Sorry all religious people, but I had to. >_>)

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Other Games / Re: The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
« on: December 24, 2014, 06:42:23 pm »
Fine fine, but just to close off.

Morrowind: Good
Oblivion: Crap/Boring
Skyrim: Meh (good or better with Mods)

Anyway, talking about Morrowind specifically, did anyone else ever try abusing alchemy to make Fortify Speed potions that crashed the game?

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Let's Play Pokemon Tabletop United! (In Game) Chapter 1: Rocky
« on: December 24, 2014, 06:31:43 pm »
Quote from: highmax28 on December 24, 2014, 11:31:20 am
The party enters the forest, with Koduku going in alone.

(?) The larger of the party, run into a sort of clearing in the forest where there is a Minun, a flying squirrel thats yellow, white and black, a green dog-like creature, a very small yellow spider, a yellow humanoid creature with a plug on its head, and an orange mouse. Luckily, they seem to be too busy enjoying the storm to notice you

Koduku sneaks into the forest alone. (3+3) You keep stepping on twigs. You hear wailing as you try to sneak on. You turn and spot eyes in the distance but they fade. You head towards a darker part of the forest to hide in the shadows to sneak up on whatever is hunting you. You come across a clearing and as you hide, you're halted by a ghost with a skull on its face!

Koduku has the initiative!

((OOC: If that 3 is my stealth roll... You rolled triple ones? O_o))

Release Riolu near to ghost.

[purple=2,300]"Go, Kuunokuu! This Pokemon looks like a Ghost, I don't think we can hit it normally.[/quote]

If Riolu has initiative: Foresight then Quick Attack

If Riolu does not have initiative: Use Quick Attack's priority, then Foresight, then Quick Attack. ((OOC: I can do that, right?))

Keep reasonably close to the ghost. [/quote]

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: Let's Play Pokemon Tabletop United: The Hira Region (OOC Thread)
« on: December 24, 2014, 06:21:47 pm »
I see.

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: XCOM: Long War - By the lasers red glare
« on: December 24, 2014, 11:43:56 am »
Does BLOOD For tHE BLOOD GOD lay there?

What about SKULLS for the SKULL THRONE?

Will it cause the GALAXY to BURN?

These are important things...

Sorry, I've been on a bit of a 40K craze lately.
There don't... Happen to be any mods for XCOM that turn it into 40K, are there?
Probably not. Well, one can dream.

PSA: I don't actually like Khorne.


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General Discussion / Re: Terrible Jokes
« on: December 24, 2014, 11:15:14 am »
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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: December 24, 2014, 11:03:06 am »
Yes.

You can guess who my favorite character in-general is (at least purely aesthetic wise) from my avatar, but the series he's from... Isn't really one that I'm a big fan of, to be honest.

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: December 24, 2014, 11:01:30 am »
Wars don't solve things, they just create other problems that are more important.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 24, 2014, 10:59:14 am »
Quote from: Arx on December 23, 2014, 09:58:01 am
Quote from: UXLZ on December 23, 2014, 09:15:56 am
The reason for this is quite simple: something like that contradicts its own existence. For a being to be Utterly Perfect, then, as I said before, it must be perfect from every angle, yet that just can't happen. At least, not in our reality, or anywhere near it. (Were God is said to be, at least to my knowledge.)

Why does it contradict its own existence? That doesn't make sense to me, could you elaborate?

Sorry that this took a while to respond to. I've been short on time recently. As I said in my original post, this may just be me being insane, but the reason I think It contradicts Its own existence is because for something to be Utterly Perfect It also has to not exist. It cannot think but it must think all, it cannot feel but it must feel all. It may just be due to my opinion of what it means to be 'perfect'. Regardless, I do believe it is impossible to be objectively perfect.


Awesome post by bucket in here. I'll be taking out all the parts and responding to them but if I miss anything please notify me. I don't want to be accused of ignoring things because I can't respond to them. >_>
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Unfortunately it's not that simple (if only it was. T_T)
If it's both then it isn't either or none. If it's none then it isn't both or either. If it's one then it isn't the other, or none, or both. To be perfect It must be all, none, both, one, everything else imaginable, unimaginable, possible, impossible and all things between. This counts for everything, by the way. Including Its own perfection.

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Yep, I can get behind the idea (thought not necessarily the belief) of a 'God' like that, however, there are still a few problems.

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"1) having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be."

Any and all desirable elements, qualities and characteristics would be part of the collective that is All That Is.

Actually, no. Simply because All That Is isn't actually everything. It doesn't include All That Is Not, or All That Could Be, or All That Will Not Be, or All That May Be (can you see where I'm going with this). Unless you're suggesting 'God' is the collection of all possible and impossible states of existence or thought at every point in time, before time, and after time, in this universe, in every other universe (that may or may not be), outside the collective universes and into the void of Absolute Nothingness. In which case, you may hold that 'God" is an entity (if indeed It exists) beyond human comprehension. In which case (if that is the case) I totally agree! Actually, here's a quote (of myself) talking to a friend on Skype (quite a long time ago).
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I'm still unsure if that's correct, but for me to actually be sure is technically impossible.
Anyway, quote number two!

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"2) absolute; complete"

Yes.

Nope. Because, All That Is isn't actually complete. It's more like... Sorta complete (maybe?).
Simply because it doesn't include all those things I said above (All That Isn't, All That Was etc.) and more, it cannot be said to be complete. Unless we're specifically saying all things that are, in which case it is 'complete' but it isn't 'absolute' (and is also kind of like a '1=1' situation, we're simply saying something is itself). Unfortunately it needs to be both. Something that is only half isn't complete.
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"Omnipotence?"

Well, yes. Of course. All power that exists would be definition by part of it. In fact, this is a more literal interpretation of the word. "Omni" means "all." All potency. All potential. All power. And...

Yep, no qualms here. However, it's different to the normal kind of "Omnipotence" ascribed to a 'God' (that is, being capable of literally everything.)
Essentially, if we focused all the power and potential of All That Is into a single point, there would still be things that It wouldn't be capable of. Hence, imperfect. (As I said before though, once we throw the whole 'Totally Perfect In Every Way' deal out of the picture, I'm very accepting of the possibility of 'God'.)
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This also nicely reconciles the problem of evil. Why would a just god allow evil to exist? Because god is the evil. And the justice. And your arbitrary moralistic sensibilities that perceive senseless genocide as evil, but the imprisonment and murder of cows and chickens and corn and grass as good. All things. Omnipresence. Everywhere. Cows included. Grass included. The knife used as a murder weapon included. You, included.

Thou art God

Namaste

Personally I prefer The Egg.
Hey hey hey, who said I thought senseless genocide was evil? It's senseless, yes. Objectively a bad thing? No. That's impossible. 'Bad' is a human concept.
I'm being half-joking here.
Anyway, more seriously: Yes, I'm also quite open to this interpretation of God, however in this sense God with be less of an entity and more of a system. I am a system, but I am also an entity that can interact with things outside of my system (such as you, and this keyboard I'm typing on). Going with the interpretation that God Is Everything, It isn't an entity because It cannot interact. It simply is, in which case we're talking about God less as a figure such as that depicted in various religions and more so just a word used to describe something or give compression to information that would otherwise be to inefficient to convey. Sort of like how 'Government' or 'Factory' is used.

Anyway, that's me done for now. I know I haven't responded to anything but if I haven't responded and it doesn't seem to contradict my intent I'm probably amicable to the notion. If you want my input on anything specific, please just ask.

QOTD: Where do you believe 'God' came from? Was It made or came from some other place, similar to the 'It's turtles all the way down' conundrum, or did It simply spontaneously spring into existence (or was It already there)?
I think SD's already kind of answered this, so you don't have to if you don't want to (SD that is, not you, erstwhile viewer).

*Edit* Oh, I just remembered! This is directed @bucket, does Lytherus or IF mean anything to you?
 

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: December 24, 2014, 08:10:02 am »
I'm not really informed on these kind of things, so I'm wondering... What's the situation like in Australia?

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