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We have no holy text if is what you meant. The founder wrote several diaries, some of them passed to his disciples, and for the most taught orally. I wrote down some of the teaching of my father's master, and even recorded some of the conversation with my dad, but it's quite unformal. We also study some of the books that the founder studied, about Hermeticism and Ceremonial Magick, books on theravada doctrine - both ancient and modern, but the main focus is on the inspirational tales of the life of the founder.
Mabye, one hundred years from now, someone will take the confused and sometimes contradictory notes we put down and patch them together in an holy book, who knows.

The concise exposition of the Eight Gates is memorized, yes. ^^
But I also wrote it down.


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...so this actually has nothing to do with Satan except in name?

The idea of Satan as archetipe of rejection of holiness and self-determination in achieving freedom comes from Aleister Crowley and Anton LaVey's philosphy. Our notion of freedom, although, is quite different. It's freedom from suffering, not freedom to indulge in passion ( that is not real freedom because it comes with pain ).

About biblical satan? Well, in the bible, "satan" means simply "adversary" and it's not a name, but a role that is played by several actors. The idea of Satan as a personal temptator appear only in the New Textament - and it's extremely vague, with no clear mention to a fallen angel or heavenly rebellion ( the hints to the "Morning star" attributed to Satan are, quite clearly, the mocking of an humane babylonian king ). In the medieval ages, Satan was ridiculed as a stupid, goat faced villain and not taken really seriously untill the Reform. I can say that the modern picture of Satan is not older than 4-5 centuries.


Also our picture of Satan is a construct. If it's not clear, we are basically atheists. The rituality is a pragmatical use of mental pratices. Demons do not really exist as phisical ( or even immaterial ) entities.

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because I doubt any reasonable person likes cancer in kids

Well, not even in adults.

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Next questions:
a) what body of knowledge is this drawn from? Is it all the Siamese monkns teaching, or influenced by LaVey, or what?
b) Do you believe in God (since clearly you believe in hell)?
c) Why do you refer to Satan as 'unholy', given that the goals you strive for fall exactly in line with the Western (and Christian) concept of goodness, holiness, and/or purity?


It's a long and weird, although inspirating, story. Our founder brought much of the Theravada teachings with him when he left Siam, but his life philosphy different significantly in several crucial aspect. One of them is that we don't think at the world as an illusion or projection, neither approve a passive acceptation of suffering. Instead, we focus a lot on preventing the suffering, using every tool that science, technology, spirituality and experience could gave us.

We do not believe in any kind of creative or omnipotent deity; also, for us, Hell is a state of mind ( that we try to achieve ).

We do not try to achieve a state of holyness; quite the opposite, we strive to give up the notion that humans are superior to animals, or that an human being can reach a condition of spiritual superiority toward another human being, or another living being at all. The enlightened darkness brings cessation of sufference and inner serenity, it's not an excuse to put oneself on a pedestal.

Also, a big difference with western christianity is that we believe that animals has the same right to live as us. Althought we admit self defense ( to not defend your life is to disrespect it ).



About question c, there are really many difference between our goals and those of a christian, but it could be resumed in one concept: personal responsability. In christianity, the burden of sin and the work of spiritual purification is shifted to the Savior; in the Path of Eight Gates, both work and consequences are upon the Acolyte.

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To pursue the Satanic Enlightment, an Acolyte must open the Seven Gates of Hell, plus the final Golden Gate that allows the soul to descend into the Enlightened Darkness.

Every gate requires more dedication, effort and costance of mind, body and heart to be opened.


The First Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Belphegor, Duke of Sloth.
The Acolyte ought to constantly strive to rid himself of whatever qualities he recognize as wrong and harmful, shaking off laziness and apathy. He understands and accepts that actions will produce results and effects that correspond with the nature of that action, and take responsibility for his behiavour.


The Second Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Asmodeus, Duke of Lust.
The Acolyte ought to constantly strive to rid himself of whatever qualities he recognize as wrong and harmful. He rejects disordinate passions and sexual misconduit, keeping is body clean and pure.


The Third Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Baalzebul, Duke of Gluttony.
The Acolyte ought to constantly keep his minds alert to phenomena that could negatively affect the body and mind. He should be mindful and deliberate, making sure not to act or speak due to inattention or forgetfulness, and avoid any kind of intoxicating substance.


The Fourth Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Amon, Duke of Wrath.
The Acolyte ougth to never act impulsively and out of rage; he train himself to be rational, cautious and reasonable, not acting in ways that would be corrupt or bring harm to oneself or to others.


The Fifth Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Mammon, Duke of Greed.
The Acolyte ought not to gain profit from occupations which, either directly or indirectly, result in harm for other living beings. Forbidden trades are all kinds of weapons and instruments for killing, slave trading, prostitution, breeding animals for slaughter, manufacturing or selling intoxicating drinks or addictive drugs, producing or trading in any kind of poison or a toxic product designed to harm.


The Sixth Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Leviathan, Duke of Envy.
The Acolyte ought to abstain from lying, from divisive and abusive speech and to every form of deception. When he speaks, it must be true, beneficial and appropriate. If he can't benefit others with honest words, he stay silent.


The Seventh Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Lucifer, Duke of Pride.
The Acolyte adopt detached, non-judgemental way of seeing. He ought to be resolved on renunciation, on freedom from ill will, on harmlessness; he must give up egoism, narcisistical habits and the desire of recognition.


The Golden Gate of Hell:

This is the Textament of Satan, Lord of the Darkness.
To fully embrace the inner darkness and become one with Hell, the Acolyte fully give up the notion of ambition, purifying the soul from the taint of desire and reliance on external goods and pleasures; he becomes a source of light on his own, finally achieving freedom from suffering and death.

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Yes, he was and I respect him as a scholar of  occult and a free thinker; but I am not a laveyan.

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Interesting. Which archetypical concept? And what are the tenets of your belief? (If it's not obvious, I know nearly nothing about this.)

For Laveyan satanists ( also called "rationalists" , although not every rationalist  is a laveyan ), Satan embodies the archetypical concepts of self determination, the pursue of personal freedom, gratification and developement of potential. Chaos Magick system is used in many new age / gnostic movements and is, essentially, the notion that the power of belief is real and can shape ( and be shaped ) by the world. Laveyan focus on custom, pragmatical rituality to achieve whatever personal goals they pursue.


Tenets vary from branch to branch. Personally, I follow the teaching of my spiritual father...
well, he's also my biological dad ^^
His master was an university professor, that learned from our founder, an ex theravada monk from Siam that travelled to Europe, lived for seven years in the UK were he studied ermetism and ceremonial magic, then established in my country. He was a great scholar of occult, but I doubt he was merely a man.

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Quote from: Conradine on August 04, 2015, 01:31:26 pm
Theistic satanism ( chaos magick custom belief system ).

How do you view Satan?


Archetipical concept, eggregora created by collective thought AND personal thought-form.
The un-holy trinity.

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Theistic satanism ( chaos magick custom belief system ).

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Curses / Re: [MOD] LCS Gen [v 0.9] - armors conceal guns properly
« on: August 03, 2015, 02:08:25 pm »
If someone could translate the source code in a simple zip file, it would be a great act of kindness toward me. Thanks in advance if someone can do that.

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Curses / Re: [Unofficial Download] LCS Release r855
« on: July 30, 2015, 03:02:55 pm »
You are a kind person. Thanks

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Curses / Sleepers raising in political ranking?
« on: July 28, 2015, 04:52:54 am »
I quote Liberal crime squad wiki:

"Sleepers can be a potentially game-winning asset, if you can have one of your insiders rise up through the political ranks and have a place of true meaning. "

http://lcs.wikidot.com/sleepers


Is that really possible? May the sleepers become members of senate, or else?

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Curses / Re: [MOD] LCS Gen [v 0.9] - armors conceal guns properly
« on: July 28, 2015, 04:47:08 am »
Were must I unzip the mod to make it work?

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Curses / Re: LCS Release r855 - DOWNLOAD
« on: July 27, 2015, 07:53:59 pm »
Is possible to have a zip downloadable version?

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Immagine that YOU are a dwarf, the expedition leader, and the fellow dwarves were your family and closest friend. Therefore you absolutely want not to die but you are in one of the extremely dangerous worlds created by Armok ( standard map, year 125 ).

What kind of location would you choose for the embark? What would you do first, there?

To summarize, a "no risk is acceptable" play.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Implementing torture rooms?
« on: February 14, 2015, 09:26:19 pm »
Torture ( divided in  "for fun, informations, example" ) is already involved in civilization ethics but when will be possible to actually implement it in gameplay?

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