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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: God-Proof Chariots Edition
« on: August 06, 2015, 05:18:44 pm »
We have no holy text if is what you meant. The founder wrote several diaries, some of them passed to his disciples, and for the most taught orally. I wrote down some of the teaching of my father's master, and even recorded some of the conversation with my dad, but it's quite unformal. We also study some of the books that the founder studied, about Hermeticism and Ceremonial Magick, books on theravada doctrine - both ancient and modern, but the main focus is on the inspirational tales of the life of the founder.
Mabye, one hundred years from now, someone will take the confused and sometimes contradictory notes we put down and patch them together in an holy book, who knows.
The concise exposition of the Eight Gates is memorized, yes. ^^
But I also wrote it down.
The idea of Satan as archetipe of rejection of holiness and self-determination in achieving freedom comes from Aleister Crowley and Anton LaVey's philosphy. Our notion of freedom, although, is quite different. It's freedom from suffering, not freedom to indulge in passion ( that is not real freedom because it comes with pain ).
About biblical satan? Well, in the bible, "satan" means simply "adversary" and it's not a name, but a role that is played by several actors. The idea of Satan as a personal temptator appear only in the New Textament - and it's extremely vague, with no clear mention to a fallen angel or heavenly rebellion ( the hints to the "Morning star" attributed to Satan are, quite clearly, the mocking of an humane babylonian king ). In the medieval ages, Satan was ridiculed as a stupid, goat faced villain and not taken really seriously untill the Reform. I can say that the modern picture of Satan is not older than 4-5 centuries.
Also our picture of Satan is a construct. If it's not clear, we are basically atheists. The rituality is a pragmatical use of mental pratices. Demons do not really exist as phisical ( or even immaterial ) entities.
Mabye, one hundred years from now, someone will take the confused and sometimes contradictory notes we put down and patch them together in an holy book, who knows.
The concise exposition of the Eight Gates is memorized, yes. ^^
But I also wrote it down.
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...so this actually has nothing to do with Satan except in name?
The idea of Satan as archetipe of rejection of holiness and self-determination in achieving freedom comes from Aleister Crowley and Anton LaVey's philosphy. Our notion of freedom, although, is quite different. It's freedom from suffering, not freedom to indulge in passion ( that is not real freedom because it comes with pain ).
About biblical satan? Well, in the bible, "satan" means simply "adversary" and it's not a name, but a role that is played by several actors. The idea of Satan as a personal temptator appear only in the New Textament - and it's extremely vague, with no clear mention to a fallen angel or heavenly rebellion ( the hints to the "Morning star" attributed to Satan are, quite clearly, the mocking of an humane babylonian king ). In the medieval ages, Satan was ridiculed as a stupid, goat faced villain and not taken really seriously untill the Reform. I can say that the modern picture of Satan is not older than 4-5 centuries.
Also our picture of Satan is a construct. If it's not clear, we are basically atheists. The rituality is a pragmatical use of mental pratices. Demons do not really exist as phisical ( or even immaterial ) entities.