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Russia can do a whole lot of damage to Georgia without making a single shot.

Also they can retaliate by annexing Abkhazia and South Ossetia (they wouldn't even need to falsify a referendum) which could lead to escalation that isn't likely to benefit Georgia and may not benefit the west.


I fail to see how the second part changes anything for Georgia. De facto annexed territories over which Georgia has no control or hope to get them back will stay that way. And it is even more mysterious for me how it hurts "The West"

And yes, Russia can hurt Georgia economically or via other non-military action but I don't think the tweet is saying that.

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https://twitter.com/PMSimferopol/status/1634111915596173312

Like how Russian official Twitter accounts post cartoon-villain level threats, Empty threats

Guys, last time when you invaded Georgia, you used 70+K troops. Do you really think you can pull that away from the frontlines? I approve this idea.

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 10, 2023, 08:22:44 am »
Again, it comes to definitions.

If your definition of gender is something that looks like

Gender is norms, behaviors and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other.

Then your study will show that norms, behaviors, and roles are mostly socially constructed with some hard-to-quantify influence of evolved behavioral patterns (aka gender according to a different definition).

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Russia doesn't have the resources to actively fight in Georgia but they have already invested resources in pro-Russian groups within Georgia. Conflict in Georgia can only benefit Russia.

Russia got a pro-Russian government in Georgia, way more pro-Russian than the population (Note that both the aggression against Ukraine and Russians who fled from mobilization to Georgia made the local population more anti-Russian than before.)

No, Russia does not want a political crisis in Georgia that may put another government in charge.

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 09, 2023, 10:46:14 am »
Hm, are you saying that gender is like an Operating System (or rather a part of it) which is independent of memories but needs time to form? And that merely copying memories into an empty brain will fail to produce a person because there is no OS in place which needs to be naturally developed? And that, unlike computers, hardware changes software, and software changes hardware and they can't be separated cleanly?

I like this perspective and it gives some food for thought.

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At least Georgia's Opposition Party can use Ukraine's history and defiance as a roadmap. It'll be hard, but at least they're not grappling blindly.

On other hand, the Georgian government has a failed example of suppressing protests and may study what went wrong.

Lukashenka kinda did that... but there were many wrong things with Belarusian protests, starting with the lack of properly organized opposition with legal status.

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 09, 2023, 08:54:40 am »
My personal view on this is there needs to be a proper separation out of gender roles and gender. I see gender as an immutable, likely neurological in origin, self-perception. A bit like the mental blueprint you have of your body, and when the body and the blueprint don't match it often causes distress.

Then gender roles are then the stuff that a society expects someone of a specific gender to do. Much more mutable and varies from culture to culture.

It feels like a lot of the issues come from people saying that gender is a social construct while simultaneously saying it's immutable. If it's a social construct, then it can be changed, but if it's not able to be changed then it's not a social construct.

It is quite close to my opinion. But here is a hypothetical for you (and anyone else who may be interested in answering such hypothetical).

Let's imagine some advanced alien civilization decides to play a cruel prank on me by cutting and pasting memories from my male cisgender brain to a blank brain of a human female. Will my gender stay male? And not only male but in the very same spot of the male-to-female gradient?

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Hey Strongpoint, what's the situation in Bakhmut? Our media is saying it has almost fallen but I don't trust them at all obv.
Short answer - Fog of war makes it extremely hard to say what is really happening there.

Slightly longer answer - it is almost encircled, the degree of that almost is hard to tell. Also eastern part of the city is no longer under Ukrainian control but how much of it is captured by Russian forces and how much of it is a gray zone is also extremely hard to tell.

I tend to trust this map: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375  It usually proves to be relatively accurate but with so much conflicting information I don't think that they represent what is happening there well ATM.

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Sounds like Georgia is becoming Ukraine 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I'm sure the western satanists are involved and the whole thing is a plot to hurt Russia and that no genocide will come of it.

Well, Russia is unable to invade Georgia ATM so if they do everything quickly...

The draft which caused protests is already recalled so it may end soon. Or not. After the opposition gets what it wanted it either calms down or... becomes emboldened by their victory and demands more.

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 09, 2023, 03:56:03 am »
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I meant that women who shave their legs do so not because they are female, but because they are women.

I see.

Yes, many women choose to express their gender by shaving their legs, wearing 'feminine' clothing, using makeup, and generally following socially constructed gender roles\stereotypes\norms for the gender "woman". But does it really means that gender itself is just a social construct?

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 09, 2023, 12:41:53 am »

Much (all?) dysphoria is totally cultural, though.  Many trans women shave their legs, but smooth legs are not a female trait.  Leg shaving is just something (many) women do.  It's still very important to people, but it's subjective.

Wait. I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

Are you implying that a cisgender woman who shaves her legs has a slightly different version of female gender compared to a cisgender woman who doesn't?

And if I will start shaving my legs (let's say my girlfriend will say she prefers cleanly shaven male legs) will it mean that I moved somewhere on the spectrum and my gender has slightly changed to another variant of male?

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So, it looks like Georgia is about to enter a major political crisis, perhaps to the extent of Ukraine 2014.

Not entirely off-topic because 1) the current Georgian government helps Russia to circumvent sanctions 2) Russia is insane enough to invade Georgia opening one more front.

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 08, 2023, 04:15:43 pm »
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Furthermore both are impossible.  You cannot demonstrate you are an atheist.  I cannot demonstrate that I'm non-binary.  Not only do neither of have a responsibility to do so, we *can't*.  There's some outside chance we could justify the existence of atheists or trans people to this random offensive person, but we cannot prove who we are.  We don't need to.  The burden is on them to, IDK, make whatever case they're actually making when they "express doubt"

I can't demonstrate that I am an atheist but I can explain why I consider myself to be one and what I mean by the word atheist. My words are not enough for them? Do they define the word differently? Whatever. It is their right. As long as they don't mess with my actual rights (like punishing me for 'wrongly' identifying myself as an atheist or trying to lock me into a mental institution to cure my 'delusion') it is their business. I understand that Trans people do have their actual rights messed with.

But it is this messing with the rights that should be the focus, not trying to forcefully change someone's opinions on who other people are.



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Technically 3 is more accurate, though slightly incomplete.  Genders are socially constructed and subjective.  "Manhood" means very different things in different cultures, and often changes decade by decade.  There are common ideas but the details evolve (or just change :P).  Womanhood too.  And other genders as well.

Doesn't it mean that being trans has nothing to do with genetics or other aspects of one's biology and it is simply the result of someone's upbringing and cultural background?

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  A man need not perform any masculinity whatsoever.  He must simply identify as a man.  Typically that means he wants to be manly, at least in some ways, but there is no requirement whatsoever.

So your definition of a man is "Man is any person who considers himself to be a man". Do I understand you correctly?

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 08, 2023, 03:45:14 pm »
There's some context missing here, in that doubting trans people's self-identified gender is often done in conjunction with denying them healthcare they could die without. Trans people are touchy about gender for a reason, that being a great deal of oppression.

Gender and sexuality both has lots of nuances, which we could learn about from each other, in and outside of this thread. At the same time there can be hardships in such a discussion, because LGBTQ+ people face a lot of unfair treatment, and the lot of us sadly bring with us some bias from the world we were brought up in. Going into that difficult discussion, hedging on the other person lying won't lead to anything constructive. Please don't.

I honestly don't understand how denying healthcare is legal. I am very confused why stories like Robert Eads' don't end in a bunch of people going to jail. Doctors may have a right to say "I disagree that you are a wo(man)", they shouldn't have a right to deny treatment because of that.

I also understand the desire of changing LEGAL definitions of the words gender, man, woman (not that I think it is a good idea in all cases) It can also be done without changing the definition by rewriting rules and replacing relevant instances of "(wo)men" with "men and trans(wo)men"

I never said that trans people are lying, Please don't put words in my mouth. I said that people have a full right to not believe someone when they say I am X. Demanding them to accept every "I am X" claim is just plain wrong and very anti-freedom of thought. Also, I listed lying as one of the  possible reasons why a claim can be false. Why are you jumping on the lying part?

*I do think that not all people who claim to be trans are actually trans, some are mistaken, especially young people but it is a rather complicated discussion. Intentionally lying and putting yourself into a marginalized group is rather... unlikely

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: March 08, 2023, 12:42:04 pm »
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This tactic is necessary because it's impossible to argue someone else's gender, and yet people feel compelled to try. 

It is impossible to argue someone's gender if it is defined in a certain way. If this word is defined differently - it is absolutely possible.

Also, If I identify myself in a certain way (let's say an atheist) and someone doubts my self-identification I am not going to be insulted. I'll simply say - I am an atheist because of A, B, and C. If the person will disagree with me saying that A, B, and C are not enough (or irrelevant), I'll simply make a conclusion that we have different definitions\understandings and move on.

Other people have no obligation to agree with my self-identification. After all, I may be mistaken, missusing words, or lying.

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