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Mafia / Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« on: November 28, 2021, 01:37:18 pm »
Yeah, configuring stuff may be pretty hard. Ruby and Python is already preinstalled on Mac and Linux machines, but if you're using Windows, you'll have to first install those languages as well. And in any rate, no matter what OS you're on, you'll likely want to upgrade to the latest version. Then, you can:

Step 1: Install wayback-machine-archiver:
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pip3 install wayback-machine-archiver
Step 2: Confirm that the tool is installed:
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archiver --help
Step 3 (Optional): Check to see if the tool works by passing in the URL of a page you wanted archived...
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archiver "https://quicktopic.com/53/H/[INSERT_ID_HERE]?o=0&range=all&print=1&submit=Show+printable+page"
Step 4: Copy and paste the code in a *.rb file (let's call it "file.rb") and then execute that code using
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ruby file.rb***
Since configuration is a rather time-consuming and annoying process, I decided instead to upload the script onto repl.it, a code-sharing website that already had the configuration set up for you. You can see it here: https://replit.com/@tra38/ArchiverBackup#main.rb

Main difference is that instead of using a Python package, I instead used a native Ruby gem - "wayback_archiver" - so I wouldn't need to depend on Python, and could rely solely on Ruby. This was because I couldn't find a way to use both Ruby and Python at the same time...or rather, couldn't find a way to quickly do it. A short-and-dirty hack (using wayback_archiver) was good enough. I tested that script by archiving Gnosia's dead chat and scum chat.

To be able to use the repl.it's script, you just need to make an account on the site. Then you can "fork" the codebase, making the modifications as appropriate and then clicking on Run to execute the code.

P.S.: I also ran the repl.it's script with CYOMA's mafia chat, and it looks like that chat is now finally publicly accessible.

P.P.S:  Catch with this new updated script is that you don't get the web.archive.org URL when the archive process is complete (though considering that URL is buried within a bunch of spurious error messages, maybe that's probably a benefit rather than a malus). You would likely need to do a manually confirmation on web.archive.org.

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Mafia / Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« on: November 28, 2021, 11:03:20 am »
Yeah, I think if we work together, we'll probably be able to submit all the links within ~5-10 days. Work's been hectic for me, so I've been pretty busy myself.

The first Bay12Forums page has been backed up, and I also archived the Skynet's Seduction quicktopics as well. (EDIT: Also, the first "U, Robot" game and the CYOM4 - Parakeetkinchat chat. There's some issue with 2uwv6EA2CNe, the quicktopic ID for CYOM4's mafia chat, though...it's still not accessible after 38 minutes. This is going to annoy me for a while.)

I also came up with an automated process as well for this situation. I installed this Python command-line tool (https://github.com/agude/wayback-machine-archiver ), and then writing a quick Ruby script to use this command-line tool:

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quicktopic_ids = ["p65kRWLUC6a", "qH9b47QBY9u"] #These were ids for Skynet's Seduction quicktopics. Replace with them with the ids you want to backup.

quicktopic_ids.each do |id|
  full_url = "\"https://quicktopic.com/53/H/#{id}?o=0&range=all&print=1&submit=Show+printable+page\"" #necessary to add quotation marks so that bash can properly interpret this URL as a string
  #system("echo #{full_url}")
  puts "We're attempting an archive of #{full_url}"
  system("archiver #{full_url}")
  puts "Archive complete...moving onto new archive!"
  puts "..."
end

Note that for each ID, the script will pause for a bit (since it's submitting the link for you) before printing out an exception message like "ERROR:root:404 Client Error: NOT FOUND for url: https://web.archive.org/web/20211128153251/https://quicktopic.com/53/H/p65kRWLUC6a?o=0&range=all&print=1&submit=Show+printable+page" .

That exception message is due to the lag situation - the page has been successfully submitted and crawled by Internet Archive, but the page itself is not accessible on Internet Archive. I've seen this issue even when I was manually saving these links, so I don't think it's a big deal - but it is annoying, and I do have to later on manually confirm that these links actually do work, just to assure myself that the backup was successful.

Even if one prefers to use the manual process, the fact that the URL template:

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https://quicktopic.com/53/H/[INSERT_ID_HERE]?o=0&range=all&print=1&submit=Show+printable+page

actually works means that you can skip the "click on the Show printable page button" step - all you really need now is the quicktopic ID.

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Mafia / Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« on: November 28, 2021, 09:44:11 am »
Just want to check to see how progress is going on saving Quicktopics. I've did some work trying to manually save stuff on Internet Archive, but it may be a bit rough, especially because there is a delay between Internet Archive saving a site and then actually making it accessible for people to look at. Currently focused on trying to save all Quicktopics on the Page 1 of the forum, and will probably find a way to automate the process if at all possible.

Quicktopic will shut down on Saturday December 11th, which is two weeks from now. We should probably try to save all Quicktopics by the end of this week, I guess?

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Mafia / Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« on: November 08, 2021, 06:53:35 am »
Anyway, that's all I have for now. I'm gonna try to do as many of these as possible in the next couple of weeks. There are around 650 games here in total so hopefully Wayback doesn't get mad at me for making so many of these. I'll report any issues I find.
Thanks heydude6; this idea is far more better than what I was thinking (which was essentially downloading a copy of each quicktopic's "print page" PDF). Let me know what links you have already archived...perhaps we could divide up the load so that Wayback sees this as two people uploading stuff instead one person uploading stuff? Perhaps they won't get as annoyed that way?

EDIT: Alternatively, maybe Wayback just has a cooldown mechanism, which may mean that saving 650 pages may very well be doable.

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I’m actually planning on running a DG campaign that uses Impossible Landscapes, and may even produce AARs (not just for people to read, but also so that I remember what happened). And yeah, I plan on cannibalizing sections of the campaign. Railroads may be fun to read, but far less fun to play.

As an interesting note, the campaign itself takes place in an alternate timeline that is meant to be a sequel to a non-DG campaign. The players were British politicians in 1986 who managed to prevent World War Three from turning nuclear. As a result, the United States and the Soviet Union are now allied together, creating The Network.

The Network actively researches the occult, while trying to stop “disruptive” research that could threaten their power. They view MJ-12 with suspicion, since they love doing research…but they’re otherwise legal. Delta Green, by contrast, are seen as dangerous terrorists (thanks to MJ-12’s shenanigans).

There is also one added issue. In the 1990s, the Masquerade (the unwritten agreement by the elite to keep people ignorant about the supernatural) broke down due to technological advancement making it impractical to keep secrets. So people now know that the supernatural is real, but are are ignorant of the details. This means you have a society that is prepared to deal with the occult (which means you don’t look insane when you’re talking about a raid)…but then you have a society that might also be more vulnerable to it as well (since familiarity might lead to unnecessary risk-taking) and you still want to cover stuff up (so people don’t realize how bad things are going to get…and you don’t want average citizens to get ideas about weaponizing the Mythos).

This is the timeline document I gave my players, which essentially said most of what I said above. The reason I posted all this though is because:


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Mafia / Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« on: October 25, 2021, 08:57:44 am »
I can also try to help out in the archival process, having previously archived a forum scheduled for deletion last year. I will need to find all the quicktopic links in this forum though.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (Interest Check) The Quiet Year
« on: October 19, 2021, 12:20:30 am »
Though I'll be too busy to actually play, I'll at least give a PTW. Is it possible to play TQY solo, by any chance?

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: August 17, 2021, 05:29:49 pm »
Did the Mafia subforum die again? :(

I like to observe games, and maybe even run them, but playing them is a step too far. Playing is a bit too stressful for me, and I rather not deal with stress. Which, I guess, doesn't help make this board more active. But I do like reading what happens here though!

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Creative Projects / Re: Opinions on my history generator
« on: July 23, 2021, 10:16:12 pm »
Looks interesting. Is there source code or a program that we can download and run for ourselves? I like history generators, so I'm okay with just reading log files. :)

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"Alright, it's a lead! If we buy drinks here, would somebody show us the way to the real earth?"

"...real earth? I haven't heard of such a thing since the Omega Incident. Anyway, I can give you coordinates to something that resembles it..."

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Other Games / Re: AI Dungeon 2: AI Based Text Adventure
« on: June 11, 2021, 09:54:28 am »
I have hopes for AI generated fiction as well. However, I don't think I have much hope for OpenAI myself. I'm going to be rambling a bit, but I'll put it in spoilers.

Spoiler: "Rambling" (click to show/hide)

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Other Games / Re: AI Dungeon 2: AI Based Text Adventure
« on: June 09, 2021, 07:19:21 am »
I mean, it's still fun. But yeah, it's time to look for alternatives. Going to test out Inferkit some more, and decide whether privacy is worth $20/month. (EDIT: Or alternatively, I could just wait for an open-source version of AI Dungeon to come out.)

EDIT 2: Woah, NovelAI released a blog post about their pricing, claiming that their basic plan is $10/month (and that they'll have a larger available context window, to boot). I'll pay attention to this, and if their text generation model can exceed or meet Dragon, I'll consider switching.

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I added a Price List and an NPC Generator to the "Game Materials" chapter, and added some material about megacorporations and peasants to the "Social Relations in the Samurai Republic" chapter. I haven't mentioned the "samurai-training simulations" yet though - I might mention it later if I find a good place to put it.

By the way, I defined megacorporations as "samurai-based military organizations" (not, you know, the business corporations that tend to play a major role in cyberpunk literature), and also tried to imply that these corporations aren't really about wealth accumulation, but power accumulation. Not sure if I pulled that off or not.


Spoiler: "Peasants" (click to show/hide)

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After doing some preliminary research into Japanese history, I believe that I'd be best off studying the Sengoku period in Japanese history, where everything is in flux and society is ruined by endless war. Even the Peasant Militia exist in that period, in the form of the Ikkō-ikki. The term Gekokujō ("the lower rules the higher") also seem especially well-suited for "Samurai World" (the samurai defeated the AI-Empress, the peasants defeated the samurai).

"Legend of the Five Rings" tried to blend the Sengoku era of "war between the clans" with the Edo era of stability and prosperity. Generally, violence between the clans take place during the summer...and in the winter, 'politics' reigns as the Emperor hosts the regular Winter Court and make important policy decisions. At first, I tried to reflect that same dynamic in Samurai World, but it's a pretty artificial one...and ultimately, I have to decide whether to lean more towards Sengoku or Edo. And quite frankly, the strict caste system of the Edo era does not seem to make much sense in a universe where the peasants have successfully overthrew their feudal overlords. Sengoku seems like a more natural ft.

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Thanks. *drinks water* The Motherland looks like it's frozen for now, but how is life within that post-apocalyptic other door?

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