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1. The game makes it difficult to access the relevant information, and some of the information it presents is misleading:

• There's no quick way to see which dwarves are stressed and why.

In dfhack, if you bring up the Units menu "u" and then press "l" to bring up the labor manager utility, the stress of each dwarf is shown next to their name.  You can then find out why by just looking at that dwarf.  Similarly, with Dwarf Therapist, you can sort by stress and if you hover over the box, it will pop up the text from the description showing which messages are applicable.

I dont run mine all into wafers. I try and keep 5, clothe and thread, forbidden, for a strangemood.

Like a gold tooth, ya get it back.

Adamantine is way too rare to spend on clothing that wears out just like any other clothing.  So I just never produce any cloth from it.

Just as a comparison, I spent a few days playing an older 0.44.12 fort and the stress was a lot worse than in the current version 0.47.  I think it's getting closer to where it should be.  It seemed for years that stress basically didn't exist at all except in extreme cases, and now it does, but is usually controllable.  I still think there's a problem with particularly stressy dwarves but it isn't an "everyone goes insane in 10 years" thing any more.

The system should reward good design and actually building nice quarters.  Maybe it shouldn't be quite so intensive about forcing you to build guildhalls and temples.  That seems like it should be something fairly easy to tweak though.  In my most recent fort I found myself building a lot of featureless guildhalls and temples because by the time I finished smoothing and engraving everything enough to get its value up, I immediately got pestered for another one.

It does seem to do a world of good for stress, though, especially when combined with the kind of quarters that get you "sleeping in a bedroom like a personal palace" messages, legendary dining halls, etc.

Doesn't seem to work. If they end up close to a contaminated tile when they're due to pick up a new job they often take cleaning, even if there's a never ending backlog of hauling to be done.

Hauling seems to be even less prioritized.  I mean things like digging and smelting and gemcutting and craftmaking and strand extraction and clothesmaking and brewing and cooking and building construction etc.  I tend to have the opposite problem where they never clean anything.

Once cave adaption kicks in, I noticed this pattern.

Urist notices that there is a spot of dirt somewhere outside, far away from the safety of the fort.
Urist decides this must be cleaned right now!
Urist walks out into the sun and feels sick. He leaves a trail of vomit, but he must really clean that faraway spot.
Ducim notices some dirty bit of vomit outside, left there by Urist. Ducim decides this must be cleaned immediately!
Ducim leaves the safety of the fort.
Ducim cancels clean: interrupted by goblin. Ducim runs away, leaving a trail of blood on the ground.
Tosid notices a dirty bit of blood on the ground outside of the fortress. Must clean now!
Meanwhile, Erush the miner opened a cavern and his sharp eyes spot a speck of crundle blood at the far other end of these strange caves. Must clean now!

The worst thing is, I know of no way to stop a dwarf once he decides on a cleaning job. Even disabling the labor does not cancel the current job. Help? Is there any way out of this nonsense, except for disabling the job forever on everyone?

Have enough actually useful work queued in the job manager that they rarely if ever get around to cleaning.

I was doing some obsidian farming to try to get the last few bits of adamantine and had a bungled water delivery mechanism that was still vaguely working.  I would just dumbly fill the chamber with water and then dig it out until it was relatively safe, then channel down above the squares I wanted to farm.  I'd expanded the water chamber because even immediately turning off the water after turning it on still led to a deluge.  So I'd close off the area and then flood it before proceeding.

I thought I'd closed off the area entirely before opening it up again (it was draining from a cavern lake a dozen or so z-layers up).  I hadn't.

Something like five z layers of fort (including lots of newly dug, beautiful, high value, smoothed, engraved living quarters full of new furniture) were nearly instantly flooded.  Only about five dwarves drowned but it is still annoying and some of the most valuable parts of the fort (including the adamantine) are still underwater.

Quote from: muldrake on May 27, 2020, 11:38:44 pm

I just got a "Vile force of darkness."

And it's 9 dwarves.  And none of them have weapons.  I assume they're from some goblin civ somehow, but why no weapons?

Find out where they're from with Legends mode later. It's probably a refugee camp which is part of the goblin civ or something with no access to metal. Do they have armour?

Nothing but cloth clothes.  There was at least one archer because there was an arrow stuck into the horse corpse but none of them seemed to have a bow.  At least two fled before I checked them all, though, after reading page after page about them gnawing a horse to death slowly.