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Hello fellow dwarves. i am running masterwork with more leather and i am trying to figure out some details on butchering returns, and decide on what animals to bring along. I am using more leather which scales the retrn with size but i do not know:

1. The ratio of body size to leather return, i did get 0 leather from slaying moleweasel kits, 1 from a rabbit and 3 from a pig.

moleweasel kits, are kittens... most small animals babies will produce 0 leather.  they don't have enough skin.  the larger the animal the larger the skin the larger the glob it produces which increases the amount of leather. 

2. Multiple stages of growth like cragtooth boars - according to the raw it takes 1 year for adolescent and 2 for adult. Does this mean 1+2 for 3 total?

no at 1 year its no longer a baby, at 2 years its an adult.

3. Leatherwing bat's sheared of skin would rot, and i recently read something about needing a tanner to tan it with the use of tallow was it?or oil?i cant find this on the wiki, nor could i find that thread again so can someone explain what i need exactly.

DO NOT READ THE ONLINE DWARF FORTRESS WIKI... masterwork info is 2 to 6 years out of date.

if you have a tanner workshop available the skill is performed automatic, after you shear it at the farmer's workshop... no tallow is needed.  tallow is needed to make hardened versions of leather, scale, chitin, etc.

4.Is this the case for all skins?usually when i butchered animals i got the skin tanned with no problem, i imagine the tanning reagent required was included in the butchering return?

nope basic tanning requires no additional reagents just the skin.  Only if you want to turn them into their harder versions.

I run with a pack (1 male, 4 females) of shaggy badgerdogs, cragtooth boars, moleweasels, and want to decide 2 of the 3 options of  Horned caveturtles, dewbeetles and bearded cavernkeet.
I imagined both beetles and cavernkeets are when i already have the other 3 already mentioned animals are a bit overkill, but caveturtles need a wooping 20  years according to raw for adulthood, hence the previous question about size and butchering return. Also shearing leatherwing bats vs moleweasel explosive procreation?

I hope this hasnt been already answered somewhere, if sorry for the needless post, i just couldnt find it.

moleweasels are basically cheap vermin catchers, 2 total a male and a female is fine, if your not doing leatherwings.

cragtooth boars can be sheared for their cragtooths which are treated as bones.  hunt/war beasts if I remember also.

shaggy badgerdogs take a while to grow their fur, but can be sheared for wool and used for hunt/war beasts.

cavernkeets can be sheared for wool also, plus eggs are a good source of food/additional cavernkeets, and easily controlled, horrible for leather though they are small. 

leatherwing bats reproduce at incredible rates, adults can be sheared once every 2 months- season.  they will drop pups in multiples and grow to adults fairly fast.  a small batch of of 5, 4 females and 1 male, will turn into a huge fleet of vermin killers racing all over your fort rather fast, 3 years and you will have 20 to 30 adults easily.

dewbeetles can be harvested for dew which can be turned into alcohol.  dewbeatles also reproduce quickly but they are small, and really wont produce a lot of chitin.

caveturtles suck.

if your wanting leather I'd go cragtooth boars and leatherwing bats.  drakes (not the duck but the lizard) are also shearable, chase vermin, and grow quickly... but they cost a lot.

forget the rest of them.  or atleast take the beared cavernkeets for cloth.

Did anyone have trouble with quickfort? i keep getting the error of unable to move files to macro folder, and whenever i make changes to the blueprint, or choose another blueprint, i get the correct text style preview popup, but the actual result in the ingame designations is the original first blueprint i had used the first time i managed to make it work.

Quickfort issues would be involving quickfort...I'm pretty sure its either not updated yet, or the dfhack scripts have errors and no one noticed yet.  I'll go over to those forums and check out if there is any updates that fix them.  I admit I haven't played with quickfort since 1.20.

Hi! Masterwork noob question here:
I cant seem to find how to build Temple of Armok. Any suggestions?

It appears to be deprecated in DF 42.06  there was several changes to how the game functioned in 42.06 and sacrificing sentient creatures and using there body parts was broken then... god functions and force invasions pretty much died at the same time... so there's the answer it was a dead end and removed.

I still have the same problem - dwarfs getting permanently idle after first few days - and I have no idea what to do. Miners, farmers, haulers, all of them are just slacking around.

I could state 300 reasons this would happen, all of them vanilla DF gameplay issues.  without additional information about what you have been doing or a game save there is no way to reduce the amount of reasons this may be happening.  You could of locked the only door out of where they are.  They may all be sick/injured and wont get up until you heal them.  They may be bored.  they may be hungry, thirsty, and unable to find either.  You may have turned their labors off. They could be set to a warren and have nothing to do inside of it.  and thats just a few...

The wiki is even more outdated than the current manual included with the MW download (which I'm hard at work updating), and that's saying something. It should not be used for any purpose and should be considered as teaching you negative amounts about most of the current mechanics due to introducing concepts that are either simply outright false (like the existence of rusty iron and its use in the orcish economy; the material was changed years ago to bonemold, and the methods of acquiring bonemold are very different) or referring to features have been dropped completely (like the aforementioned religion things).

If you want an example of just how dropped those features are: The altar and temple to armok are no longer even in the building raws. They weren't just removed from the entity raws, they didn't just have their reactions removed from the permitted ones in the entities, they were not simply disabled. No, someone went and actually deleted the lines that defined these structures and their reactions from the raws.
The shrine survived only because it was deemed useful for getting resources in case of strange moods, but had the references to Armok removed. Likely because of the addition of the vanilla religion systems, because looking at the wiki those are entirely things that could be done with DFhack and raws.

agreed the wiki was really best kept up back under pre 42.06 after that a couple of years back it fell into disrepair and should be ignored.

New version 1.27 up over in my post.

Its of the DT side... its reading the characters learning speed wrong.  There's been several posts stating similar things, over there. I don't think a fix has been made yet.  I was going to check it this week and see if they made any progress.

I've noticed a shift in fps.  I use old systems here for testing so I don't have to worry about anything coming over from peoples "save uploads".  besides my good computers are being used by my sons. lol.  I'll have 1.27 up in less than 10 hours and right now I think its the most error free version yet.

ahh it primarily seems to affecting load times, and the size of mods have increased without causing graphics errors.  the script folder is inside the save/region/raw/ folder.  deleting it should allow the newer versions of the script in dwarf fortress/hack/scripts to be used instead.  there is a special call in the config that adds the backup folder so you don't have to worry about missing things.... hmmm lets see. I'm uploading 1.27. which has a fps increase because it deletes a script call to periodic_check.lua which isn't needed... if you are getting a stutter every so many ticks that could be it, deleting it from hack/scripts/masterwork/base/ would remove that issue.  anyways. I've got to get this uploaded and posted for in the morning.

additionally you can type deramp in the DFHack console... and that can sometimes delete the death ramps mentioned above and branches hanging on to other trees and walls its not perfect.  It can also get rid of hanging ramps from fires that didn't fall but are waiting to collapse.

Its all bad vanilla behavior, where all the paths to the ramp are destroyed same tick, so the math doesn't figure it's collapse for until a map check/cleanup several ticks later.

Best thing you can do as succubus is keep trees cut down. keep fields you want to grow trees on blocked off with a wall and at least 5 gap of water or walkways.  utilize an exterior wall or trap zones around the map edge.  rain can stop fires... but it has to hit the squares that are on fire... it doesn't work as good as the old system did.  Also avoid damage to your succubus by using cloaks and full sets of armor... any bleeding cut, spit, snot, or sneeze can set everything it hits on fire, one of the hazards of being a succubus.