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It is irrelevant who ultimately ordered the strike, unless we're talking about individual criminal liability. The culpability is, as always, in the first place institutional. A military with a collective culture that permits and encourages the striking of food aid convoys to induce starvation is a bandit gang of a military.

I think it's likely a mid-level commander ordered the strike (not because he thinks Hamas is in a WCK convoy but because he thinks Gazans should starve), and they did it because the highest levels of the state of Israel showed the way for these things. If the higher-ups didn't understand that their actions would end with this, they truly ARE idiots.

There is no "war against the UN" that can happen and Israel already routinely ignores what the UN says. If the UN said that and tried anything, Israel would simply shoot at food trucks trying to force their way through the checkpoints, and then certain people would say that it's completely justified, because they tried to force themselves through the checkpoints. Tell me you wouldn't be saying exactly that, Bumber.

To argue about "light war crimes" (for "military necessity") in this context is also a complete red herring here, because Israel is committing those along with the pretty big kinda inexcusable ones, which are not responses in kind or possessing any military necessity, like flattening the entirety of the Gaza strip, or refusing to let almost any food through -- which, if we forget the pedantries for a moment, is transparently in the process of starving people, what other outcome do you expect?

Are those not those "actual" war crimes, like rape and mass murder, which are always inexcusable you mentioned? Or if they are still somehow the "light war crimes" that are justified in context -- where is the military necessity, or reciprocal reasoning for those? When have Hamas ever done or realistically threatened starving 2 million Israelis or wiping Israel off the map? That "Hamas would do it if they could" is meaningless, because Hamas can't and they don't. The situation does not exist. There is no threat, no history of the other side doing it, no military necessity. It's almost like it's:

ACTUAL war crimes which are crimes according to basic humanist morality:  torture, rape, genocide, using civilians as meatshields, and any other actions that bring unnecessary or excessive suffering. With stuff that would be widely considered criminal even by people of medieval ages and before. Those are not fine because the other side does it. BTW, the losing side usually doesn't have many opportunities to commit most of those.

I mean, truly -- what is the justification for starving everyone in the Gaza strip, whether it's happening now or later? That doesn't rise to the level of big boy war crimes for you? Do you think that blocking all food is not gonna starve people? Do you think Israel is just kidding and will stop the blockade at the last moment on their own? They don't seem to want to stop on their own. They seem like they want to "finish it" forever, if I'm being completely honest.

For those saying the food situation is OK and acceptable in Gaza and "not real starvation like elsewhere":

Four out of five starving people in the world are in Gaza -- World Food Program.

At least it seems they nabbed the right guys.

I facepalm so hard when I hear the claims of famine in Gaza.

Sure, there are, undeniably, food shortages in some areas but it is not a famine. When there is a famine people don't make videos complaining that MREs from the skies are not tasty enough. They also don't post videos about how stray cats refuse to eat food from aid (because there are no stray cats.)

And there should be photos of malnourished people. A LOT of those. We see none if we don't count sick children, bad AI-generated stuff, and photos from Yemen\Sudan that do have famines.

Stuff like inventing non-existing famines diminishes the sufferings of people who actually desperately try to live through famines.

There isn't famine in that people are dropping dead en masse from malnutrition (yet). That comes in a few months if there is no change.

What there is, though, is massive malnutrition in the most vulnerable populations -- children. Nearly a third of children are suffering acute malnutrition. More than a dozen children have died from malnutrition already.

Also worth noting that levels of food availability are different in different places. Malnutrition is worst in the Northern Gaza Strip. There may not be many videos coming from areas of Israeli occupation.

That sounds bad. I would hope the school administration would do something, since it is interfering with students' studying.

Are they supposed to be selling subsidized food to people who are not students, or is it not entirely legal?

The most in-depth analysis I could find was, somehow, from CNN.

First Israel said Palestinians looted the convoy and in such a way trampled over themselves. Then they said that they shot Palestinians because they felt threatened. Now they're saying they just fired warning shots? But also, they didn't fire anything but just retreated calmly? Are there five different versions from the IDF at this point?

Such warning shots, that scores of people ended up with gunshot wounds in a nearby hospital, as relayed by the UN secretary general's spokesperson.