Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.

Messages - Mathel

Pages: 1 ... 318 319 [320] 321 322 ... 361
4786
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 28, 2017, 07:48:43 am »
My point was that people are making assumptions about demographic changes here that could be explained by non "murdering your firstborn" means. Since we're basically neglecting an entire potential subfield of relevant research here, then we can't in fact assume anything about why it's happening (or alternatively the scale of things), without proper evidence.

In fact, it's probably explainable by racism that we automatically assume it's because evildoers when it's another race, but when it's our own race we go "well who's to say why it's happening?".

e.g. an extremely wealthy nation such as Lichtenstein is a great barometer here, since it's highly unlikely they're bashing girls to death at birth or secretly aborting 20% of fetuses, when they don't even have abortion clinics there. And their birth ratio is far more skewed than China!

And this does in fact call into doubt our dominant narratives about why China's birth ratios are so skewed. Like I said, they could have originally had a skew to girls, because of biology and centuries of poverty - hell, they had the sex-selection thing going for 2000 years and never had a "girl shortage" before. But now that incomes are rising, the sex ratios (biological speaking) have stabilized, yet culture still has the "baby boy bias" that used to be adaptive, but is now maladaptive. Unfortunately, since sex ratio at birth is in fact reactive to maternal health, it's not possible to quantify the amount that this is happening, just from the birth records, as many sources are trying to do. So the reported estimates of infanticide are probably over-estimates since they're not taking into account that rising nutrition means more baby boys, biologically.

This is the post, in which you wrote 20% of fetuses.

4787
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 28, 2017, 07:42:16 am »
My point was that people are making assumptions about demographic changes here that could be explained by non "murdering your firstborn" means. Since we're basically neglecting an entire potential subfield of relevant research here, then we can't in fact assume anything about why it's happening (or alternatively the scale of things), without proper evidence.

In fact, it's probably explainable by racism that we automatically assume it's because evildoers when it's another race, but when it's our own race we go "well who's to say why it's happening?".

e.g. an extremely wealthy nation such as Lichtenstein is a great barometer here, since it's highly unlikely they're bashing girls to death at birth or secretly aborting 20% of fetuses, when they don't even have abortion clinics there. And their birth ratio is far more skewed than China!

And this does in fact call into doubt our dominant narratives about why China's birth ratios are so skewed. Like I said, they could have originally had a skew to girls, because of biology and centuries of poverty - hell, they had the sex-selection thing going for 2000 years and never had a "girl shortage" before. But now that incomes are rising, the sex ratios (biological speaking) have stabilized, yet culture still has the "baby boy bias" that used to be adaptive, but is now maladaptive. Unfortunately, since sex ratio at birth is in fact reactive to maternal health, it's not possible to quantify the amount that this is happening, just from the birth records, as many sources are trying to do. So the reported estimates of infanticide are probably over-estimates since they're not taking into account that rising nutrition means more baby boys, biologically.
Well, you may or may not have said anything about fetuses. You could have edited it away as well.


My point was that people are making assumptions about demographic changes here that could be explained by non "murdering your firstborn" means. Since we're basically neglecting an entire potential subfield of relevant research here, then we can't in fact assume anything about why it's happening (or alternatively the scale of things), without proper evidence.

In fact, it's probably explainable by racism that we automatically assume it's because evildoers when it's another race, but when it's our own race we go "well who's to say why it's happening?".

e.g. an extremely wealthy nation such as Lichtenstein is a great barometer here, since it's highly unlikely they're bashing girls to death at birth or secretly aborting 20% of fetuses, when they don't even have abortion clinics there. And their birth ratio is far more skewed than China!

Wait, there it is.


Well a quick google brings up this:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023792

Quote
Evolutionary theory posits that resource availability and parental investment ability could signal offspring sex selection, in order to maximize reproductive returns. Non-human studies have provided evidence for this phenomenon, and maternal condition around the time of conception has been identified as most important factor that influence offspring sex selection. However, studies on humans have reported inconsistent results, mostly due to use of disparate measures as indicators of maternal condition. In the present study, the cross-cultural differences in human natal sex ratio were analyzed with respect to indirect measures of condition namely, life expectancy and mortality rate. Multiple regression modeling suggested that mortality rates have distinct predictive power independent of cross-cultural differences in fertility, wealth and latitude that were earlier shown to predict sex ratio at birth. These findings suggest that sex ratio variation in humans may relate to differences in parental and environmental conditions.

Quote
Trivers and Willard predicted that, in polygynous mating systems, mothers in good condition could increase reproductive success by biasing investment in sons. Superior quality sons can leave many more offspring than daughters can. Hence, where the fitness gains of offspring quality are sex specific, a female with ability to produce high-quality offspring could be expected to produce more sons and vice-versa. Empirical evidence for biased offspring sex ratios gathered from many taxa support this theory
...
Meta-analysis of non-human studies has suggested that sex ratio adjustments are most likely to occur around the time of conception. This adjustment was strongly correlated with maternal condition around conception, such that mothers in good condition during this period produced more sons. Similar findings have been reported in humans when maternal condition was considered in relation to sex ratio adjustment

Quote
Average national sex ratio at birth (SRB) in humans is slightly male biased (105 males per 100 males), with remarkable deviation for some countries. Systematic deviations from this ratio occurs in conditions such as economic and natural catastrophes, war, chronic stress, etc. Demographic factors like ethnicity, parental age, mother's weight, birth-order, smoking, certain disease conditions, certain professions, exposure to environmental toxins, seasonality of birth, etc are also linked to sex ratio adjustments. These studies have shown that higher birth-order, older parental age, low or high maternal weight, exposure to toxins and stressful events lower the chances of male births

So basically, things seen as "unhealthy" e.g. the mother being old or too fat or too thin, or malnourished or stressed or sick from toxins, all reduce the chance of a male birth. The interesting part here is that all the observed "negative" things about the mother's condition seem to reduce the chance of having a boy: not one of them increases the chance.

Quote
The possibility that the human natal sex ratio may relate to variation of life-expectancy and mortality rates has received surprisingly little attention from researchers. Indeed, only one study has investigated the relation between life-expectancy and natal sex ratio in a small sample of contemporary British women, finding that women who believed they had longer to live were more likely to have a male birth than women who thought they would live shorter

I'll make the suggestion that this field of research has had "surprisingly little attention" from researchers because it's not politically correct to suggest that people would have more male children if you improve their standard of living, regardless of how scientifically accurate it is. We have no issue however observing gender variation in animals, so this has in fact been observed in dozens of other species.

However this also opens up some interesting perspectives on deliberate sex selection in impoverished nations. If the theory is correct, then impoverished people have more girls, but the problem is that we enforce monogamy, not polygyny, which is what innate sex-selection is geared for. Hence, impoverished nations would have excess girls by that measure, and would need some boy-baby bias just to maintain equal sex ratios. However, when standards of living then rise, that cultural sex-selectivity is now out of whack with the sex ratios, leading to excess male births.

That's exactly what we see in India and China - excess male population is blamed on generations of sex-selectivity. However, India and China didn't have a "girl shortage" until very recently, but the practices of pro-male sex-selection go back centuries. The data on poverty and innate gender selection can explain this issue.

EDIT: Note that the nation with the most skewed birth ratio in favor of boys is Lichtenstein, with 1.26 boys born per 1.0 girls. Some people are claiming that Lichtenstein people are seriously aborting the "missing" girls. However ... abortions aren't even legal in Lichtenstein, and it's hard to believe that literally 1 in 5 baby girls are aborted in the entire nation in the world's richest nation per capita, when you'd have to either do a backyard abortion or travel to another nation to get it done, and yet nobody is noticing this happening. Note that Lichtenstein has the highest GDP per capita of any nation in the world, along with an extreme level of income equality, so it might be an outlier of what happens when you have a large group of people who all have good nutrition and standard of living etc. A very low ratio of female births.

But it is nowhere near 20% actually.
Total amount of live born children in Lichteinstein in 2011 was 395. Lichtenstein is tiny.
In the same year the ration boys/girls was 1.26/1 That means that out of 2.26 children 1.26 were boys and 1 was girl.
1.26/2.26=0,558
1/2.26=0,442
Multiplied by the number of children born:
0.558*395=220
0.442*395=175

So, the difference between girls and boys was only 45 children.
If girls were added to have equal amount, total children would be 395+45=440
45/440=0,102
Only about 10% of fetuses would have to be aborted without a clinic. 20% of girl ones though.

Also in the same post you said that there does not seem to be anything increasing the chance of boy being born and that it is increased by something in Lichtenstein.

But The Principality of Lichtenstein is so small, that most of statistics there are not representative.
Quote
But it is nowhere near 20% actually.
Total amount of live born children in Lichteinstein in 2011 was 395. Lichtenstein is tiny.
In the same year the ration boys/girls was 1.26/1 That means that out of 2.26 children 1.26 were boys and 1 was girl.
1.26/2.26=0,558
1/2.26=0,442
Multiplied by the number of children born:
0.558*395=220
0.442*395=175

Well actually it would be close to 20%. because you're not accounting for the missing girls in the total.

e.g. if things were equal, there should be 1.26 girls to the 1.26 boys. Meaning that out of the 1.26 girls, 0.26 are missing, which is 1/5th of the total theoretical girls who should exist.

And how did I say it originally:

Quote
1 in 5 baby girls are aborted in the entire nation

Which is exactly what the statistics suggest.

You said 20% of fetuses, not 20% of female fetuses. 1/5 girls is correct. 20% of girls is correct. 20% of fetuses is wrong.

And you totaly ignored the part of my post, where I wrote that.

4788
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 28, 2017, 07:36:17 am »
Well, you may or may not have said anything about fetuses. You could have edited it away as well.


My point was that people are making assumptions about demographic changes here that could be explained by non "murdering your firstborn" means. Since we're basically neglecting an entire potential subfield of relevant research here, then we can't in fact assume anything about why it's happening (or alternatively the scale of things), without proper evidence.

In fact, it's probably explainable by racism that we automatically assume it's because evildoers when it's another race, but when it's our own race we go "well who's to say why it's happening?".

e.g. an extremely wealthy nation such as Lichtenstein is a great barometer here, since it's highly unlikely they're bashing girls to death at birth or secretly aborting 20% of fetuses, when they don't even have abortion clinics there. And their birth ratio is far more skewed than China!

Wait, there it is.

That's clearly got nothing to do with what you said however. I was talking about Chinese social policy / abortions there, not about the developmental theory.

You made a very specific claim about something I said about the development of fetuses which is a point I deny making. The current quote is about abortions, which really doesn't have any connection to the developmental theory.

You're really just goalpost shifting now, nothing else. first it was "you said XYZ about the development of fetuses" now that's devolved to "you mentioned the word fetus (in an entirely different context). GOTCHA!". You're not making any sort of actual point now. I'm not even sure what you're position is because your posts are so content-free.

Quote
You could have edited it away as well.

Now this is just being a shit on purpose. I laid out my arguments and haven't edited away the gist of what I'm saying. If you can't respond to what's actually written, it's fucking imbecilic to argue against non-existent points then say i might have edited them away.

You ignore the fact that it often takes me over 10 minutes to answer to your posts, and while you edit your posts, I do not get to see them.

That is why I do not trust you. You edit your posts and then it looks like I was not answering you properly.

4789
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 28, 2017, 07:33:01 am »
Well a quick google brings up this:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023792

Quote
Evolutionary theory posits that resource availability and parental investment ability could signal offspring sex selection, in order to maximize reproductive returns. Non-human studies have provided evidence for this phenomenon, and maternal condition around the time of conception has been identified as most important factor that influence offspring sex selection. However, studies on humans have reported inconsistent results, mostly due to use of disparate measures as indicators of maternal condition. In the present study, the cross-cultural differences in human natal sex ratio were analyzed with respect to indirect measures of condition namely, life expectancy and mortality rate. Multiple regression modeling suggested that mortality rates have distinct predictive power independent of cross-cultural differences in fertility, wealth and latitude that were earlier shown to predict sex ratio at birth. These findings suggest that sex ratio variation in humans may relate to differences in parental and environmental conditions.

Quote
Trivers and Willard predicted that, in polygynous mating systems, mothers in good condition could increase reproductive success by biasing investment in sons. Superior quality sons can leave many more offspring than daughters can. Hence, where the fitness gains of offspring quality are sex specific, a female with ability to produce high-quality offspring could be expected to produce more sons and vice-versa. Empirical evidence for biased offspring sex ratios gathered from many taxa support this theory
...
Meta-analysis of non-human studies has suggested that sex ratio adjustments are most likely to occur around the time of conception. This adjustment was strongly correlated with maternal condition around conception, such that mothers in good condition during this period produced more sons. Similar findings have been reported in humans when maternal condition was considered in relation to sex ratio adjustment

Quote
Average national sex ratio at birth (SRB) in humans is slightly male biased (105 males per 100 males), with remarkable deviation for some countries. Systematic deviations from this ratio occurs in conditions such as economic and natural catastrophes, war, chronic stress, etc. Demographic factors like ethnicity, parental age, mother's weight, birth-order, smoking, certain disease conditions, certain professions, exposure to environmental toxins, seasonality of birth, etc are also linked to sex ratio adjustments. These studies have shown that higher birth-order, older parental age, low or high maternal weight, exposure to toxins and stressful events lower the chances of male births

So basically, things seen as "unhealthy" e.g. the mother being old or too fat or too thin, or malnourished or stressed or sick from toxins, all reduce the chance of a male birth. The interesting part here is that all the observed "negative" things about the mother's condition seem to reduce the chance of having a boy: not one of them increases the chance.

Quote
The possibility that the human natal sex ratio may relate to variation of life-expectancy and mortality rates has received surprisingly little attention from researchers. Indeed, only one study has investigated the relation between life-expectancy and natal sex ratio in a small sample of contemporary British women, finding that women who believed they had longer to live were more likely to have a male birth than women who thought they would live shorter

I'll make the suggestion that this field of research has had "surprisingly little attention" from researchers because it's not politically correct to suggest that people would have more male children if you improve their standard of living, regardless of how scientifically accurate it is. We have no issue however observing gender variation in animals, so this has in fact been observed in dozens of other species.

However this also opens up some interesting perspectives on deliberate sex selection in impoverished nations. If the theory is correct, then impoverished people have more girls, but the problem is that we enforce monogamy, not polygyny, which is what innate sex-selection is geared for. Hence, impoverished nations would have excess girls by that measure, and would need some boy-baby bias just to maintain equal sex ratios. However, when standards of living then rise, that cultural sex-selectivity is now out of whack with the sex ratios, leading to excess male births.

That's exactly what we see in India and China - excess male population is blamed on generations of sex-selectivity. However, India and China didn't have a "girl shortage" until very recently, but the practices of pro-male sex-selection go back centuries. The data on poverty and innate gender selection can explain this issue.

EDIT: Note that the nation with the most skewed birth ratio in favor of boys is Lichtenstein, with 1.26 boys born per 1.0 girls. Some people are claiming that Lichtenstein people are seriously aborting the "missing" girls. However ... abortions aren't even legal in Lichtenstein, and it's hard to believe that literally 1 in 5 baby girls are aborted in the entire nation in the world's richest nation per capita, when you'd have to either do a backyard abortion or travel to another nation to get it done, and yet nobody is noticing this happening. Note that Lichtenstein has the highest GDP per capita of any nation in the world, along with an extreme level of income equality, so it might be an outlier of what happens when you have a large group of people who all have good nutrition and standard of living etc. A very low ratio of female births.
It is possible that I misread it, or you edited your reference away.
Assuming that when editing you did not remove it, so that you could prove me wrong, I was in fact arguing with myself.

But I still maintain that Lichtenstein is a terrible place to use for reference, because it has so few people and births.

State of Reelya's post at the time of this post:
Well, you may or may not have said anything about fetuses. You could have edited it away as well.


My point was that people are making assumptions about demographic changes here that could be explained by non "murdering your firstborn" means. Since we're basically neglecting an entire potential subfield of relevant research here, then we can't in fact assume anything about why it's happening (or alternatively the scale of things), without proper evidence.

In fact, it's probably explainable by racism that we automatically assume it's because evildoers when it's another race, but when it's our own race we go "well who's to say why it's happening?".

e.g. an extremely wealthy nation such as Lichtenstein is a great barometer here, since it's highly unlikely they're bashing girls to death at birth or secretly aborting 20% of fetuses, when they don't even have abortion clinics there. And their birth ratio is far more skewed than China!

Wait, there it is.
That's clearly got nothing to do with what you said however. I was talking about Chinese social policy / abortions there, not about the theory.

You made a very specific claim about something I said about the development of fetuses which is a point I deny making. The current quote is about abortions, which really doesn't have any connection to the developmental theory.

You're really just goalpost shifting now, nothing else. first it was "you said XYZ which involved fetuses" now that's devolved to "you mentioned the word fetus, in an entirely different context". you're not making any sort of actual point now.

4790
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 28, 2017, 07:08:15 am »
Well, you may or may not have said anything about fetuses. You could have edited it away as well.


My point was that people are making assumptions about demographic changes here that could be explained by non "murdering your firstborn" means. Since we're basically neglecting an entire potential subfield of relevant research here, then we can't in fact assume anything about why it's happening (or alternatively the scale of things), without proper evidence.

In fact, it's probably explainable by racism that we automatically assume it's because evildoers when it's another race, but when it's our own race we go "well who's to say why it's happening?".

e.g. an extremely wealthy nation such as Lichtenstein is a great barometer here, since it's highly unlikely they're bashing girls to death at birth or secretly aborting 20% of fetuses, when they don't even have abortion clinics there. And their birth ratio is far more skewed than China!

Wait, there it is.


Well a quick google brings up this:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023792

Quote
Evolutionary theory posits that resource availability and parental investment ability could signal offspring sex selection, in order to maximize reproductive returns. Non-human studies have provided evidence for this phenomenon, and maternal condition around the time of conception has been identified as most important factor that influence offspring sex selection. However, studies on humans have reported inconsistent results, mostly due to use of disparate measures as indicators of maternal condition. In the present study, the cross-cultural differences in human natal sex ratio were analyzed with respect to indirect measures of condition namely, life expectancy and mortality rate. Multiple regression modeling suggested that mortality rates have distinct predictive power independent of cross-cultural differences in fertility, wealth and latitude that were earlier shown to predict sex ratio at birth. These findings suggest that sex ratio variation in humans may relate to differences in parental and environmental conditions.

Quote
Trivers and Willard predicted that, in polygynous mating systems, mothers in good condition could increase reproductive success by biasing investment in sons. Superior quality sons can leave many more offspring than daughters can. Hence, where the fitness gains of offspring quality are sex specific, a female with ability to produce high-quality offspring could be expected to produce more sons and vice-versa. Empirical evidence for biased offspring sex ratios gathered from many taxa support this theory
...
Meta-analysis of non-human studies has suggested that sex ratio adjustments are most likely to occur around the time of conception. This adjustment was strongly correlated with maternal condition around conception, such that mothers in good condition during this period produced more sons. Similar findings have been reported in humans when maternal condition was considered in relation to sex ratio adjustment

Quote
Average national sex ratio at birth (SRB) in humans is slightly male biased (105 males per 100 males), with remarkable deviation for some countries. Systematic deviations from this ratio occurs in conditions such as economic and natural catastrophes, war, chronic stress, etc. Demographic factors like ethnicity, parental age, mother's weight, birth-order, smoking, certain disease conditions, certain professions, exposure to environmental toxins, seasonality of birth, etc are also linked to sex ratio adjustments. These studies have shown that higher birth-order, older parental age, low or high maternal weight, exposure to toxins and stressful events lower the chances of male births

So basically, things seen as "unhealthy" e.g. the mother being old or too fat or too thin, or malnourished or stressed or sick from toxins, all reduce the chance of a male birth. The interesting part here is that all the observed "negative" things about the mother's condition seem to reduce the chance of having a boy: not one of them increases the chance.

Quote
The possibility that the human natal sex ratio may relate to variation of life-expectancy and mortality rates has received surprisingly little attention from researchers. Indeed, only one study has investigated the relation between life-expectancy and natal sex ratio in a small sample of contemporary British women, finding that women who believed they had longer to live were more likely to have a male birth than women who thought they would live shorter

I'll make the suggestion that this field of research has had "surprisingly little attention" from researchers because it's not politically correct to suggest that people would have more male children if you improve their standard of living, regardless of how scientifically accurate it is. We have no issue however observing gender variation in animals, so this has in fact been observed in dozens of other species.

However this also opens up some interesting perspectives on deliberate sex selection in impoverished nations. If the theory is correct, then impoverished people have more girls, but the problem is that we enforce monogamy, not polygyny, which is what innate sex-selection is geared for. Hence, impoverished nations would have excess girls by that measure, and would need some boy-baby bias just to maintain equal sex ratios. However, when standards of living then rise, that cultural sex-selectivity is now out of whack with the sex ratios, leading to excess male births.

That's exactly what we see in India and China - excess male population is blamed on generations of sex-selectivity. However, India and China didn't have a "girl shortage" until very recently, but the practices of pro-male sex-selection go back centuries. The data on poverty and innate gender selection can explain this issue.

EDIT: Note that the nation with the most skewed birth ratio in favor of boys is Lichtenstein, with 1.26 boys born per 1.0 girls. Some people are claiming that Lichtenstein people are seriously aborting the "missing" girls. However ... abortions aren't even legal in Lichtenstein, and it's hard to believe that literally 1 in 5 baby girls are aborted in the entire nation in the world's richest nation per capita, when you'd have to either do a backyard abortion or travel to another nation to get it done, and yet nobody is noticing this happening. Note that Lichtenstein has the highest GDP per capita of any nation in the world, along with an extreme level of income equality, so it might be an outlier of what happens when you have a large group of people who all have good nutrition and standard of living etc. A very low ratio of female births.

But it is nowhere near 20% actually.
Total amount of live born children in Lichteinstein in 2011 was 395. Lichtenstein is tiny.
In the same year the ration boys/girls was 1.26/1 That means that out of 2.26 children 1.26 were boys and 1 was girl.
1.26/2.26=0,558
1/2.26=0,442
Multiplied by the number of children born:
0.558*395=220
0.442*395=175

So, the difference between girls and boys was only 45 children.
If girls were added to have equal amount, total children would be 395+45=440
45/440=0,102
Only about 10% of fetuses would have to be aborted without a clinic. 20% of girl ones though.

Also in the same post you said that there does not seem to be anything increasing the chance of boy being born and that it is increased by something in Lichtenstein.

But The Principality of Lichtenstein is so small, that most of statistics there are not representative.

4791
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 28, 2017, 06:10:28 am »
No Reelya, it does matter to whether or not I will believe you.

You claim, that the fact that female fetuses have higher resistance to bad conditions makes male fetuses thrive better than them in good conditions.

I do not say, that I do not believe you, that males are born more often in good conditions. I only say that females being more resistant is not enough to cause that.

4792
Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Corrupt a wish!
« on: September 28, 2017, 06:01:54 am »
Granted. It has so many forumites, that a the server can not handle all the connections.

I wish to have a pebble with a Continuous Flame spell on it.

4793
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 28, 2017, 05:15:16 am »
While I would believe that "girl" fetuses have higher survival rate than "boy" fetuses when the mother is not healthy, I do not get how that would skewer the demographic in the other direction in the other direction when the mother is healthy.

As gender is given by which chromosome is in the spermatozoid, there would have to be a different factor, which would make Y chromosome spermatozoids have a higher chance to reach the ovum in order to actually ever make male babies more likely.

4794
General Discussion / Re: Order of the Stick
« on: September 28, 2017, 02:09:27 am »
Well, If you cast the spell on the ink before the tattoo is applied then sure. You can not really touch the ink (or sprinkle it with ruby dust) once it is under your skin.

4795
General Discussion / Re: Order of the Stick
« on: September 28, 2017, 01:23:35 am »
You can cast it on any object. That being said, I would cast it on pebbles, as they can be smaller and lighter than torches (also cheaper).

As for your dick, no, you can not, as it is not a separate object from you. But you could cast it on yourself as a whole.

4796
General Discussion / Re: Order of the Stick
« on: September 28, 2017, 01:00:24 am »
Lv3 cleric or Lv2 wizard/sorcerer. Since a Lv1 party probably is not going to have the money, it would either be a really rich Lv2 party without a wizard/sorcerer able to cast it, or a higher level party without cleric or wizard/sorcerer able to cast it.

As a cleric would be able to just prepare any spell from the cleric spell list on his lever, assume that it has to be a party without a cleric. But hiring a cleric to go with them could cost them more than 55gp.

4797
Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Corrupt a wish!
« on: September 28, 2017, 12:31:50 am »
Granted. But these discs are serrated and he frisbees Puppyguard with them.

I wish to teleport to Ankh-Morpork, not telefragging anything, nor being telefragged. I am to understand whatever language they use, and any money I have on me is to be converted to it's equivalent (based on cost of bread) in AM Tolars.

4798
General Discussion / Re: Order of the Stick
« on: September 28, 2017, 12:25:27 am »
Yeah.
Going of of the wiki:
Torch burns for 1 hour and costs 1copper piece, pint of lamp oil burns for 6 hours and costs 1silver piece. To use the oil, you also have to have a lantern, which costs(based on type) 1sp, 7gp, or 12gp. The Continuous Flame costs at least 50gold pieces in ruby dust.

On the other hand, a torch weighs a pound. So does a pint of lamp oil. Lamp wighs between 1 and 3 pounds. If you expect to be underground for a week, you have to have either 168 torches, costing 1,68 gp and weighing 168 pounds, or a lantern with 28 pints of oil, the oil costing 2,8 gold and weighing 28 pounds then you have to add the lamp. Also, a pint is 0,47 liter, meaning that if you have oil, you carry 13,16 liters on oil on you. That is bulky and heavy.
I do not know how large torches are, but 168 of them would probably not fit in a backpack either.

4799
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: September 27, 2017, 02:45:21 pm »
There's also unusual meats.  Bugs, frog legs, dogs, cats, most small birds including pigeons.

Edit: and most rodents... including pigeons

But pidgeons are not even rodents. They are birds, while rodents are an order of mammals.

4800
The Grey Goo

Pages: 1 ... 318 319 [320] 321 322 ... 361