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Quote from: KittyTac on October 10, 2017, 09:22:43 pm

Quote from: StagnantSoul on October 10, 2017, 05:02:33 pm

This game used to have a you win! screen, we've evolved past that primitive state of gaming.

Used to? Innnteresting. Can you tell me more?

"You dug too far. Game over." Or some such un-fun thing.

Yeah, who wants the game to end like that? We want to earn an ending, not have it suddenly happen like that.

Edit: I realized you might be referring to defeat by HFS.

Check your preconceptions at the door, please.  I'll see your definintion and raise you Cat's Cradle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_cradle.  To cite another example: the contemporary - well known but much hated - game No Man's Sky has no win condition, and only a lose condition when playing permadeath.

Defining 'game' is very much disputed territory (follow the internal link in Wikipedia to get started).  I get many laughs from looking at some of those definitions and how they turn themselves inside out trying to account for cases without 'winning' - e.g., "it's not a game it's a toy", yeah right.

Most games that we are currently familiar with have win/lose conditions but that says more about the society-culture that they take place in rather than the nature of games themselves.

tl;dr  Noooooo!  Dwarf Fortess is a game.   

These are good points. DF as a whole, though, has no win condition.

Dwarf Fortress, technically, is not a game. A game will have a winning and losing side or a win and lose condition. DF only has a losing condition. The game as a whole is not winnable; the only victories are those sub-things, like beatings off that goblin attack or finally getting some impressive contraption to work.
DF is complex enough that in the end, all fortresses will die; they will meet the game's losing condition.

But there will be many victories on the way there.
Good luck to your fortresses, venerable Bay12ers.

Seconded.

Abandon roof and fly around until finding a fast food place with the thing that let's you order from a car whose name I don't know because English is not my native language.

I'm not sure if English speakers know it's name either.

I'll have to check if caged dragons are available for purchase the next time the caravan shows up.

I wonder what would precisely be the best 'goods' to do this trick with?
And by that, I mean worst. And by that, I mean best.

I removed a dwarf from the militia because I wanted to train her in managing.
However, she was assigned to pick up bolts at the moment, and her job oscillates hundreds of times per second between that and no job while she stands in one place, doing nothing, except maybe starving.
I've removed her using the military screen, and I've removed her using the preferences menu. Yet there she stands in the middle of my stone stockpile, consumed by the thought of 31 copper bolts.

I accidentally posted this in the wrong forum. Feel very free to move it.

Edit: It seems she will haul things, but I'm not sure if she goes back to the loop then or not.