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That's basically what I was trying to say with the examples thing.  Allah isn't real so there's no such thing as true islanm.  It needs to be viewed as a collection of more or less disparate worldviews grouped by floating signifiers.

We need to stop equating these different worldviews.  Terrorists and apologists for same are hiding behind the protected status of a vague category when they should be judged by their behavior.

As for colonizing academia, Europe has been a target for conquest since the middle ages.  There are still important people and groups  there that believe in the legitimacy of conquest while we're so far up our modernist asses we can't even conceive of that as a meaningful concept. We're unable to deal with "extremism" in academia because academia is unequipped to grapple with it. 

I mean it's not the only thing

An example of "The Example"? While perhaps different for all these... errant examplists, The Example could maybe be identified as a worldview or a belief system--the only example of The Example is what you can see around you. Reality. Matter, life, death, art, food, Examplo's Example is our very existence, a living rulebook for something.

EDIT: Also, when can we open the 1st Church of Examplo?

The classic motte and bailey, when you press him for evidence he says Examplo is all around us in the beauty of the world, but as soon as you back off it's back to "Examplo is an actual dude who lives on a cloud and thunder is when he spills his groceries."

I did watch Chris Ray Gun's latest video right now, and he said it was "depressing" that various social justice rights groups are fighting each other rather than working together against oppression. That's ... not how an alt-right person would talk about the issues. A right-winger would find it funny, not depressing.

He was talking about this:
https://medium.com/@blmnyc/not-like-this-notopride-8b3f414a3d5a
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/black-lives-matter-toronto-makes-surprise-appearance-at-pride-parade/article35460305/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/black-lives-matter-toronto-pride-2017-1.4177554

Basically, Black Lives Matter activists have repeatedly blockaded LGBT Pride parades, because gay police officers are allowed to march and because their demands have not been met for

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a commitment to transform the culture and events of PRIDE to center the lives of of those most marginalized — queer and transgender Black communities.

Which comes across as whiny "why isn't it all about us?" shit. And they refuse to actually coordinate with the Pride organizers until a bunch of crazy "demands" similar to the above (an ultimatun of 9 demands was issued to the LGBT Pride organizers) instead they turn up and disrupt the events and claim:

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Pride is actually ours. Queer and trans people of colour actually started this. We don't need to register for a deadline, we don't need to tell you we're coming, we don't need to pay money for a float. We're just going to take up space"

It sounds like he's probably against identity politics as a captured apparatus meant to commodify resistance and break up various groups that should be united in their resistance. 

I'm also generally of the opinion that "SJW" is a boogeyman word that does more harm to a discussion than good, but if I had to define it it would be these people who got stuck in the Second Matrix and think they're fighting the good fight when they contribute to fracturing what should've been a unified resistance (if everyone fucked by the current status quo united that would be 99% of the population.  this is classic class warfare, just on a slightly more subtle level)

On a similar note LateStageCapitalism finally drew the line and banned me when I implied that cop-hate is engineered class warfare.  Second Matrix.  Exiting plato's cave just to walk into a different one and sit back down.  They're salty cause I outcommunismed them and I'm not even a communist.  You need to commandeer the means of violence to overthrow the government, so you make the cops fear the people and the people hate the cops.  Antifa trying to play checkers while the capitalists are playing 4d chess.

Well, over 80% of people have schizophrenia

deleuze pls go

It's prime shitposting grounds.

A point that hasn't been brought up yet: Let's assume that souls exist, as do afterlives. When you are cloned, is the soul split? Is it cloned? Is the clone soulless? Do they get a new soul instead? If the original is flash-destroyed at the same time the new one is fabricated, is the soul transferred? Is the afterlife flooded with various instances of the same person?

I find the last option very amusing.

The soul/consciousness is an alien virus that's captured and redirected human activity towards producing environments better suited to Who or What originally infected us.  If modernity fills you with malaise it's because modernity wasn't made for you.  Humanity dysfunction will grow more acute as the project nears completion.

Hyperstitial meme-invasion aside, something that's been bugging me lately.  A phrase that gets bandied around a lot lately is "true [religion]."  You can put any religion there, but let's be honest, it's usually one or two specific religions.

To keep this perfectly neutral, let's invent a new religion called Examplism.  Examplism is a revealed religion with a divinely inspired text.  Like most such texts, it's heavily internally contradictory and you can draw basically any conclusions about anything you want if you're clever enough.  There are a hundred or more different sects and subsects of various size and political clout.  You believe in Examplo and through a process of learning and reading various sources, mainly the Examplible, you've come to an understanding that Examplo wants you to wear a pointed hat, never touch food with your bare hands, and put a statue of Examplo to bed in a little crib in your room every night.

To you, that's True Examplism.  If you didn't think it was accurate you wouldn't be doing it.

Another guy does the same and comes to some similar conclusions, but he also takes some commandments about fertility, and the prophet's polygamy, as instructions to marry as many women as possible.  To him, that's True Examplism.  It's also illegal in America.

Another guy is basically the same as that guy, but believes he can marry immediate family members.  Also True Examplism, to him at least.  Also illegal in America.

And finally there's the sect that believes above, and also takes some passages about warfare as direct instructions to kill or forcibly convert everyone on Earth. 

Which is True Examplism?  Assuming Examplo doesn't actually exist, does the term even mean anything?  Everyone says their version is True, and you've got lots of people who are not Examplists dismissing certain ones as "Not True Examplism" despite that term having literally no currency to someone who doesn't believe in Examplo.  None of them are True.

I guess this has bugged me because it's tied to some other things that bug me.  People would generally describe the last one as extremist, and maybe some of the others, but what does that term mean either?  As far as 4 is concerned he's doing the bare minimum required to him by his god.  So where's the extreme part?

I think the concept of "correct" religious thought coming from people who aren't subscribed to that religion really comes down to how much it jives with typical western culture.  Which is perfectly fine with me, I don't want number 4 living in my neighborhood.  It seems like a weird way to frame it though.  It also puts the idea of multiculturalism in a weird light.  You can believe anything you want as long as it's only superficially unique.  Different foods cool, weird public behaviors cool as long as they're not a disturbance, but that's about it.

I'm not trying to argue against multiculturalism there as much as I'm saying that no one in western society actually believes in multiculturalism, but more aculturalism with a performance of multiculturalism.