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Anyone knows what is causing "haggard"?
I understand depression. It is caused by rain.
What is causing haggard?

If you put 500 value furniture in each sleeping room, then it gives maximum pleasure to Dwarves. No need for more for just pleasure from value.

For additional pleasure boost from the sleeping room, you could bother to check their material preferences. I usually go with 1 cabinet, as chests/bags can hide smelt-able items and I rather mark them on the floor for dump and after 1 month smelt them. If they like something cheap, then use gem setter to rise the price to 500 or just use gem setter to adorn their clear glass cabinets with something they prefer in gems.

These are 2 mood boosts, you can get from their rooms. One for sleeping and second for owning a special furniture.

Does this mean the optimal way of doing a "suite" like this is digging stairs down and instead of having the suites on the same z-level, have a central staircase and each room on a different level?  How much actual advantage is gained by doing this?

I think Toady had this vision of one large floor with workshops. By every workshop could be hatch covering descend on stairs to sleeping quarters of artisan using that workshop.

However it doesn't save any time for production any more, because Dwarves now have needs based on locations and pathing to those locations and between those locations is more frequent, then to sleeping room or dinning room to eat. I just put alcohol stockpile in shrine and 2 dinning rooms, one in tavern and second in library. I also put offices and special dinning rooms in these legendary dinning rooms. Furniture cost more, but Dwarves always get the right mood boost from dinning in legendary dinning room.

It seems rain is a main dice for Dwarven depression. In my fortress, I have to regularly fetch tree logs for wood furnaces. Every time a Dwarf gets out and it rains, then the rain dice goes into spin. I have Dwarves with dozen changes in their character sheet from rain dice rolls and they are still fine. The thing is this rain dice can every season turn around result of its roll to new value and suddenly you got sad and depressed Dwarf. Then I had nature loving ranger, who went depressed over getting wet in rain after 20 years being ok with it and from whom i removed cloths carefully through military menu, so cloths wouldn't even rot on him. Now, that's FUN! However when your all Dwarves' mood is hammered every month with 20 brown notices of unfilled needs, then everything, what can happen, will happen. No matter that there is another 20-30 notices with blue and green notices, every month.

Without expelling there is no way to prevent fortress slowly turning into a depression asylum, where you can not do anything fun, but tediously manage boring mood of your mentally sick 200 Dwarves. So, what if new patches from Toady lets some nut cases to lose stress, if they go out, get rain, sun or maybe some feel bad from cave adaptation like miners and they are back with red arrow cancer into this boring and tedious mental-health care simulator for 200 mentally ill Dwarves, who can't haul.

Am I correct in assuming the tile behind the door counts as an edge tile for purposes of GR? And that leaving that tile as a wall would solve the issue?

Toady imagined the perfect room of Dwarf as a dug out hole in a ground, there Dwarf descents over ramp or stairs?

How about, if one tile is for the downstairs instead? Like in a sort of tree house of elves.
Downstairs count as smoothed/constructed floor then?
I think monsters can not destroy floor covers from bellow. They can do that from above though.

I play only vanilla. Farming is a clunky plaque, but to have 12+ types of alcohol, it is a must. Without automation (using linked stockpiles) I couldn't deal with farming tbh.

Though from time to time I still need to spring clean my seeds stockpile, or my entire stash of bags will get infested with seeds. Though cooking all eatable seeds helps somewhat to keep it under control.

Doesn't work, because owned clothes won't be hauled.

I keep one clear glass cabinet per room. With time (10 years) it fills up with tattered cloths?
So, I noticed Dwarves haul their tattered cloths back to clothing stockpile lately.
I guess, there is a limit how many tattered cloths a Dwarf can stash in one cabinet?

Else, it could be solved like with the missing bag/chest in a room.
Though you would need to mark those items on floor for dumping manually. Dumping on receiver stockpile of course.
Then unmark forbidden from it and watch minecart dump it automatically into refuse 1z level bellow.

Dinning halls are designed like dinning rooms from tables. Just not assigned to anyone. So this is 75% value hit.
The location for tavern, which I put over the dinning hall and offices is not hitting negatively these rooms value. Cool.
I rather be missing walls and take this value hit tbh. Walls just block shortest paths for my Dwarves anyhow.

Interestingly, I put in the middle of my dining hall barracks now. Though not over offices or private dining tables. The dinning hall still counts as legendary.
Idle Dwarves should now have the need of learning skill fixed by improving skill of observation.
I hope it will work like alcohol stockpile in my shrine for complaining Dwarves, that they never can pray.
Now they drink, then pray. Always.