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two shields + 2 chain mails + 2 leather armor underneath.

She's well armed.

Last night on the ... some guy was trying to argue Western Armies trumped all others because they're Democratic and allow soldiers control over their destiny.

So then it was said that must've been why the freedom loving Mongols triumphed over the un-democratic armies of Europe until beaten back by the free mamluk slaves.

I almost choked on my soda.

Found the link with the historian he referenced
http://www.amazon.com/Carnage-Culture-Landmark-Battles-Western/dp/0385500521

Damn, I feel so drained. And violated.

But I haven't violated you yet

It was a pretty funny synopsis but I could tell your heart wasn't in it.

And I just finished translating DF's language into japanese. It takes too much time but eventually I'm adding Chinese, Korean, and Thai.

Also, didn't know it was possible for an Asian to be a japanophile

First off, notice I wasn't even saying asian armor was superior. I stated full plate armor was unpractical and stupid.

I consider being able to do a handstand more than enough freedom of movement.

I don't know anyone who could do a handstand in FULL PLATE.

45-60 pounds is not particularly heavy when spread over the entire body, and comparable to o-yoroi armor.

Uhhh, full metal plate is heavier than that. Have you ever worn 60+ pounds? Tried running around in it? I've tried parts of it before at ren faire. Even full plate made with modern technology and lighter composite metals are only to be wore by extremely strong men.

Are you suggesting that none of these armors would restrict your view?



Well, they might not if you removed the menpo, which many samurai did. Much like knights often wore their visors up.

You could turn your neck in those, Full plate wasn't jointed to protect the neck better. You couldn't move your head. Mail was worn underneath the helmet, which doesn't turn and the helmet itself was immobile until you moved it over with your own hand, which is difficult when under attack I could imagine.

Could you share your source for that?

Only the nobility had the time and money to create full plate, which nicely enough, presented themselves as a target. Even during the height of chivalry, the battlefield was not tens of thousands of knights steamrolling each other.

You are describing battles where people were packed together like sardines. How exactly did these lightly armor Englishman run around the French knights? (Froissart on Crecy: "many fell, horse and men, among the Genoways, and when they were down, they could not relieve again, the press was so thick that one overthrew another." St Denis said as much for Agincourt)

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Longbowmen were a deciding factor in both battles (devastated knights at Crecy by knocking them off mounts)

I think not enough attention is given to terrain and man-made obstacles. At the battle of Patay, the French ran right over the unprepared archers and at Verneuil, the archers on the right wing collapsed when the French cavalry over-ran them(had the cavalry wheeled and hit the remaining men, the English would almost certainly have lost). When the archers did not have natural or prepared cover, they tended to die.

That's effectiveness of the knight's charge, not merely their armor. Until the advent of guns, and even then, high speed charges of units through lines has been a popular tactic since the dawn of time.

The germans did engineer great full plate armor by the end of the 16th century, which a few people who used it still managed to die in. (No armor makes you invincible) Then guns made it all obsolete.

Koreans? Better recurved bows.
And, as I believe, better armor, due to their high level in technical skills.

Edit: And ships, but how can we do that? At any rate, immediate access to steel.

Yes, I figured on quite a few of those for Koreans.

Kashyyk: I do plan for Mongols eventually but that will come in the future.

Today I worked on more translating. That's taking up the bulk of my time right now but once I get it done I'll be free to move onto other things.

I also made armor as I stated I would do. Here are a few: still subject to rebalance obviously.


Also, I had a lot of fun designing Shinobi weapons, and will continue to do so tonight.

Any other ideas?

The other forums argue over it being a type of both lamellar and made of plate, so yes, depending on how you look at it.

But it isn't anything close to "full plate armour" and in certain ways better because it allowed much more freedom of movement while defending the wearer almost entirely.

Vista is pretty resource hogging, but my computer's handling it pretty fine.

Other than that, most other issues with vista have been fixed or will be before MS leaves it for Windows 7.

If I had a choice I'd dual boot XP with ubuntu though. Later on I may ask some of you pros how to set up a linux distro on a desktop.