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Mulling over memories is dishearting sometimes.


Boy whom she birthed died in his first year of life, after war grizzly get inside fort during elves siege. While I found it shocking at first, realising the trauma she might have been through, I pitied her. She probably lost faith in value of family, hate even a notion of sacrifice, or see preserverance as foolish. Or maybe she became more stoic, regretting her strong feelings for her only child...


None of my predictions were true. She still couldn't get over the fact, that she had to change diapers for little, dead since about year baby.

In more practical department, my military commander "accepted" seeing his friend body and it made him "impervious to the effects of stress", which allowed him to be the only soldier that didn't go haggard after few sieges and become the best fighter in fort.

From my experience - not really. I managed to kill demons thrice with diffrent adventurers across diffrent versions and even leaders of those civs who waged war with them regarded it as another kill with "you are killer". And as you can imagine killing any other lord or lawgiver gave no better results.
During v0.42 I got once a quest as hearthperson that was about killing Gorlak who became lord of another hamlet from the same civ. The reason was that Gorlak "is seen as unfit to rule".
The real reward is usually getting some artifacts from corpses. Goblin leaders tend to have a few from snached dwarves in worldgen, who then present their creations to their masters.

After few raids in which I collected shamelessly artifacts from neighbours and getting few in fair manner, I started receiving questers to my tavern. Each time there was message about one of my dwarves revealing presence of artifact in question and after few months there were direct assaults.
But then a spearman come, which didn't inquire random dwarves. What this spearman had done, was going straight to the mayor and making - adequatly - spearheaded question:

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Being an avid epic reader I tried to refuse, but I couldnot bring myself to it. Since i didn't recall all artifacts names, I thought he might try to recover one of the stolen artifacts. Moreover, he charmed me with his attitude and "epic journey" backstory.
But then it turned out that it was one of my artifacts, made in fort. I have expelled some of my dwarves after cleaning bodies from last siege including few legendary craftdwarves, so there was slight chance that he acts as a representative. But I decided to browse legends.
Turns out this "hero" is mercenary, who instead of participating in battles became a notorious thief and hound to some human schemer making artifact claims out of thin air.
I have all my artifacts in museum, now locked behind the door. I am waiting for things to escalate, but for now he doesn't mind having know possibility of physicaly acquiring his "price".

By raiding tower I turned some of my dwarves into necromancers via slab. When fights had broke, they raised bodies, mostly into inteligent undead.
First: Dorfs don't care who they raise and since inteligent undead keep their sides, it leads to killing and raising same entity over and over. For instance cyclop who attacked my fort is listed across five dorfs over twenty times total.
Second:As long as they don't raise anyone as vanilla zombie, there is no loyalty cascade. It didn't last long though.
Third: IntDead cannot be assigned to military or jobs. They continue job assignments before upgrade though. Don't know about military.
Fourth: If IntDead is killed with decapitation his head will be raised as undead, but the body might be raised as IntDead once again. If so however, they will lose their identities and be consider as friendly "others".

I have stormed human castle with over forty soldiers, mostly crossbowmans and swordsmans, few children. I have killed one guy in the barrack, and they only talked how I attacked someone. When I talked to them, they spit on me, but no aggression.
I traveled out, stayed outside for hour and returned. When I killed another one, there was still no reaction. But then I slashed the third one and before he died I talked to one of the soldiers.
Suddenly almost all of them turned on me at lethal. I survived, since right now my stats are legendary in all relevant skills and many of them, despite lethal conflict, decided to not chase me. Why? I don't know. I might try to slaughter another castle in near future.
Few times I punched a local lord to the face and in few cases whole court went into brawl, children included. But at other times - even in the same hall - when I sliced someone in half nobody really responded otherwise then talking standard dialogue.
So there is improvement from what I have seen in previous versions, but sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. And I am not sure if there is way to nudge them into full blown skirmish.

EDIT
I went into dungeons, where I found some humans who said that they were soldiers, and just in rooms nearby some goblins who made criminal organization. When I attakced chieftiess of the gang, six goblins went lethal on me, including one in the room next door, who couldn't saw anything. But not all gang members went lethal. And to make things even more bitter, when I started to kill soldiers there were no such comradship. I think one soldier went lethal, when I killed another warrior next to him. The rest didn't care.
So I guess there is still long way to go before reasonable morale and aggresion system.

EDIT 2
So it seems that killing one person, giving them some time to spit and froth at sound of your name, then returning and attacking someone almost gives you the reasonable effect. Now in bandit fort with 69 denizens, I have done what I described and 35 went lethal. Those who didn't react at first call either waited for their doom, or reacted when another passive next to them was slain.
Another oddity was in changing lethal to no quarter. At some point one of the first batch yielded. I killed him and about 1/3 of the lethal group changed their status to no quarter, while the rest stayed at lethal. Since the target that started skirmish was called "master" and this yielding soldier was just spearman, maybe it has to do with histfigs' relationships?
When you attack someone at the first coming to place most of NPC are not yet histfigs, with no memory of anything. So no reaction. But as they talk between themselves how "it is terrifying", they start to make some connections and only then they react with violence when killing their one-hour buddies. I don't know enough about NPC memory, so anyone with more more knack at those things will be apreciated here.

Quote from: PlumpHelmetMan on January 29, 2020, 09:22:09 pm

Can anyone confirm what being cursed with bad luck does? Seems a bit abstract to be able to program anything meaningful happening as a result of it, but it's the roll my character just got. Skill reduction, perhaps?

Is it the same as the mummy curse? In that case it probably just makes you fail rolls more often.

It doesn't seem so severe to me. I got "week of bad luck" on my legendary swordsman and he still doesn't miss from tricky downwards and has reasonable chance of landing difficult.
Also, he has never lost his dodge roll since the divination.
If I recall, having mummy curse gave you 10% automatic failure on everything, so either I got lucky with RNG, or the effect works diffrently.

2 companions, one bard/spy focused on stealth and stabbing with knife, other being hammerman in heaviest armor I will find. As lead I will play human focused on intrigue skill, reading and writing. With the party of zealot, templar and inquisitor I will begin the hunt for the wicked and sinners.

And of course, when each of the first adventurers will die, I am going to make party of nine, with elf, dwarf, four goblins and three man. Just to wait for generated golden artifact ring...