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I'm happy where my vote is.  I just can't see this as Mafia NQT.

Fallacy:

Quote from: Toaster on December 29, 2020, 07:34:00 pm

No way Mafia NQT blows a LYLO breaker for no real reason on D1.

And you think that makes him town? There's also no way to be sure that's a one-shot. Or doesn't have hidden caveats. Look at his behavior, not his usage of an ability that may be free for all we know.

Not for sure, but it kills most of my suspicion of the move.  LYLO BREAKER is a big deal.


Leafsnail: (and others)

Quote from: Toaster on December 29, 2020, 07:34:00 pm

Okay.

TricMagic.


No way Mafia NQT blows a LYLO breaker for no real reason on D1.

Assuming that NQT is telling the truth about his ability being one-shot, why do you think a mafia member wouldn't use a one-shot ability if they thought it would save their life?

The strongest part of a LYLO breaker for mafia is no one knowing they have it.  If Mafia NQT is lying about it, he's tipped his hand in a major way.

And I seriously don't see the necessity of him using it.  Regardless of his alignment, it was a misplay- but much less so for non-mafia.  This would be an extreme error from Mafia NQT.





That said, NQT is breaking hard right now.

Tric, was your vote actually stolen?

I wanted to make sure my TricMagic vote wouldn't be wasted or cause a tie before

TricMagic, TricMagic okay let's get rid of this unhelpful player.

...

wat

What the hell is going on?

I'm voting them over Leafsnail cause I believe he is mafia. Leafsnail doesn't give me any real info. Or anyone else. Trying to shift the vote to them is suspect as Day 2 is going to be nearly as exhausting as day 1. I'd take a self-lynch over a leaf-lynch. At least town would get info out of that.

I'd love to hear development on why it's scummy, and specifically who is scummy in this instance.



That said, fine.

Leafsnail.

He's had his chance to post.  I'd still rather hang Tric but I'm obviously not getting my way there.

Jim, Toaster, if you two get in the thread before the end, you should know the Tric vote isnt going anywhere, it's Toony or Leafsnail now. So nail your colours to the mast.

Hrmph.  I can look a bit more.


Where are you getting the last two votes, though?  Jim and I would put Leafsnail at 6.  Tric?

Quote from: TricMagic on December 29, 2020, 06:24:24 pm

But mafia don't win games by lurking.

They absolutely can.

Can and have.

While I can see signs of Toony panicking a bit, I'm not convinced of the full merits of the case.  With under three hours to go it's awfully late to see anything change, so I guess we'll just see.  I'm willing to put myself down publicly as dubious of a Toony lynch.

Leafsnail is toeing the line between active lurking and just lurking.  It's hard to tell the difference, especially (for me) when my meta reads are incredibly dated.




TricMagic:

My idea of people on this list being scum is still true today. Particularly that whole toaster vote. Am I not allowed to pressure someone for being inconsistent if they're not on my scum list Toaster? Honestly looking back at the linked scum read post, luckyowl jumped on juicebox a bit quickly when they asked about trusting NT and TM. Leafsnail has mostly been under the radar for me most of this game, making clean informative posts. But the other names on that list have my suspicions. Might not mean much since I dropped off, but if I die tonight I'll have posted this.

The idea is your cases should have some logical merit to them.  You said he was inconsistent without explaining why.  None of this counters the original point of you being more self-interested than not.


Toony:

I also find Toaster's accusations of IcyTea and 4mask interesting, Toaster comes off as incredibly suspicious to me if IcyTea/4mask are legit.

I'm not willing to give them a free pass.  If I see anything (and I did) I'm going to follow up on it.