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Think of it this way--Armok had more dwarfen souls to feast on.

I think an unhappy thought should be added to dwarfs--like "Urist is upset his wife was eaten and excreted recently"

Speaking of which, is there a limit to how many forgotten beasts can be on the map at a time?   I have three that appeared in areas that are unable to breach the fortress and was wondering just how many I could get.

let's see you eat the flesh of plump helmets and NOT get ecstatic... come on.

You can eat them raw, cook them, and brew them into booze.  And grow them on a farm!  Or pick them wild!  And there are Plump Helmet PEOPLE!

I have to admit that after an unfortunate noble incident, the children, despite witnessing death, were quite content.  I would have expected a down arrow.

Use IDKFA for admantine weapons, and IDDQD for admantine armor!

I have to say I would not be interested in this integrated cheating....  I have only used reveal on maps that I lost and had no hope of saving when reloading (usually to see if I had a good source of X nearby, or what would have been interesting to look at).

I do like the "dfclean" tool, but that just fixes a bug.

I also like the tool to dvdig in the dfhack, so that the dwarfs can continue to dig along the same vein--that seems "natural" since they'll know when the vein stops when there is no more to dig, so there is less micromanagement.

Generally, I think for some the temptation would be too great if the cheats were built in.  Using a poor example, I was on a forum when Spore first came out, and a guy posted he was pissed that he received the Joker achievement that everyone could see, because he cheated to get a zillion credits or whatever, and he was unable to progress beyond his last achievement in that game.  The point was, if you cheat, you don't earn the achievements because you didn't put in the same amount of effort as everyone else, etc, but the guy didn't get it no matter how it was explained.

Perhaps a mode can be entered via a command line flag, or specific commands in-game.  I am thinking of the approach in NetHack--you're able to enter Explore mode and do whatever you'd like, but you do not earn a score and if you proceed to win the game, the achievement isn't saved--because you didn't do it the way it was intended.

Further there is a Wizard mode that lets you do odd things that a creative person would toy with (or a developer) rather than a cheater, but could certainly be used to cheat.  Likewise, score is not recorded.

At this time, though, since DF doesn't really keep score, rank local players, or even keep track of simple achievements (most masterful works made, most legendary dwarfs, most dwarfs in fortress at one time, most items melted, most nobles accidentally removed from office, etc), there's little incentive to keep a player honest, aside from keeping the utilities outside of the game.

Certainly you can have your own style of playing, and certain things would be good for a beginner--or just trying a new strategy.  For example, my last fort was so besieged by goblins and humans, it became ridiculous and I couldn't accomplish anything before the next wave.  So in the next fort I disabled invaders.  Is that cheating?  I later turned invaders on again.

Or how about cat shells?  Or aquatic cats to solve the catsplosion?  those were all cheating things I did to solve a problem, but I wouldn't expect the function to be in the game to suddenly create shells and clean up the cats.  The lack of turtles and lobsters were a problem, and insane moody dwarfs were the #1 loss of dwarf life in my fortress at the time.  So I modded the cat shells in. 

I think the game is fine (aside from the errant bugs) without being told certain things or given super options at the press of a button. 

Perhaps a new role could be for the dwarfen geologist?  After you dig some tunnels down, this new noble could then remove some of the "fog" underground, giving you an idea of what to expect in the area, after he returns to his office to review the tunnel borings/cores you've made? 

An element of surprise in the game is valuable, I think, and just being able to find everything immediately takes some of the fun out of it for me.

 

Yes, generally, when something flies up that well trapped stairwell staggered across and isn't straight up and down, ignoring all the traps and arriving in the dining area to do just that, it can be hard to stop... Telling the dwarfs to burrow and "lock a door" doesn't stop big beasts from politely knocking (the door down) before entering.

I lost a dining room filled with gold statues, tables and thrones before the military put a stop to the madness.  Dwarfs dropped stuff and ran in every different direction and I was spammed with numerous messages like "Urist McRecruit cancels drink--interrupted by Honest Abe the Forgotten beast of Illinois" or something like that.  Despite the fact he was supposed to be fighting.

For extra points, tunnel out a large chamber underneath a building.  Make the chamber approximately the size of the building, or larger if you wish.  Make sure you have a single support rigged up in there.

Attach a lever and pull it.

Watch the fun!  Oh and your fps may drop somewhat.  Try to take a movie of it so you can review it at the appropriate speed later.

Did you alter cows to have shells?

That way he could say MORE COWSHELL!  *MORE COWSHELL*!