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Make sure that's ALL he's asking for.  If he needs multiple rocks, the demand display might take a while (give it 30 seconds to make sure) to show the other stuff he needs.

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Then organs should be divided into cumulative (eyes for seeing, legs for walking, kidneys for...) and necessary (vocal cords and tongue for speech).

I agree.  It's just that it can't be done with the current organ format since, like I was saying, the game doesn't know that a left kidney and right kidney are both kidneys and are therefore cumulative with regard to each other -- they just have the word "kidney" in common, and that's not enough.

It would have to be like [REDUNDANCY:ORGAN_KIDNEY], a tag applied to ALL of the kidneys so that the game could use the string "ORGAN_KIDNEY" to know that the kidneys are redundant with each other.  What string you use doesn't matter as long as it's unique within the body, it's just a declaration of a "redundancy class."  So for the octopus, you would have the main heart with no redundancy tag, plus the two gill hearts which would have a tag like [REDUNDANCY:HEART_GILL].  Bingo.

Anyway, I'm just going on about this because I think the DF body tree system is fascinating.  Toady probably already implemented a better solution along with all the other organ changes.

I wonder if "send in a chitin tissue to fill the skin role in the exoskeleton plan" means that you actually create the chitin in the creature material list and then send that material.  I suppose for things like iron men you would also have to be able to pass materials from outside the creature definition, i.e. iron.  This lays the framework for some amazing stuff, like an antman's exoskeleton melting off his body based on the chitin material's melting point, etc.

Quote from: Pilsu on November 02, 2008, 12:53:07 am

Quote from: Zeg on October 31, 2008, 06:35:16 pm

Possibly risky. I think I've seen a couple of times when a (different, non-owner) dwarf has been following a cat around waiting for it to drop its kill, pressumably because the dump order doesn't take account of the cat holding the thing.

Well I modded my cats to carry the stuff to end the message spam so they haul the rats themselves. Shouldn't be a problem if you do the same

Wouldn't call it cheating to give them a grasper mouth since they already try to haul it but realize they have no hands

You haven't been watching them closely - the "stockpile" they try to haul the item to is _not_ a stockpile that you have designated, it is their owner.

Actually, when I gave cats a special GRASPMOUTH instead of a regular MOUTH, they "hauled" vermin corpses to garbage zones.  Go figure.

Quote from: MC Dirty on November 01, 2008, 06:04:24 pm

Imagine every cat, EVERY cat, you killed for science, as baits or as meat and bone provider rising from the dead and attacking your fortress. I doubt that the military dwarves could do anything against this threat.

Good thing I've already turned their hides into mittens, their meat into exported meals, and their bones into bolts.  Let's see them rise now.

Imagine thousands of spectral kittens haunting your fortress.

^^^ "Measure of lethality" might be making things overcomplicated.  I think all that's actually needed right now is a [NOT_REDUNDANT] tag for organs that a creature can't afford to lose even one of, and otherwise the organ is assumed to be redundant as long as there's more than one.

Even this is tricky, though, because the game currently doesn't recognize that a right lung and left lung are both lungs (there's no "basic lung" that is used to "instantiate" the right and left lungs), so it has no way of knowing they're redundant with regard to each other.  Hopefully the new body system circumvents this.

It's probably a tag along the lines of [CAN_LEARN] or [CAN_SPEAK].  Removing anything of that kind should remove their "sentient" status, allowing them to be hunted.

^^^ Yes, but the cat would probably be released if you tried to do anything with the cage.

I think they would be better off if you made their personality such that they would almost never, except through the most extreme of circumstances, ever trade with another civilisation or person.

[NOTRADE] is a bit absolute to me...

Yeah, I agree with this.

Also, hopefully that BUILDINGDESTROYER bug gets fixed sometime soon.