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I understand perfectly well what you are saying, and I say you are WRONG.

By the way, you are mixing up 'see', 'perceive', and 'think'. I cant SEE 4d, nor can I see 3d, because my retinas are 2d (nothing to do with the brain, the nerves, the lenses, or anything before or after the retina, only the retina matters in this case). I can't perceive 4d, because there are no 4d objects around here to be perceived, if there were, I could perceive them.  I can easily THINK in 4d. I can also visualize, render, imagine, and etc. stuff that uses the brain.
And no, I'm not deceiving myself, I most likely know more about both the physics and math, and the psychology and biology and philosophy, and even about the actual skills, of these things than anyone who have posted in this thread.

EDIT: By the way, this may come as a shock for you, but flatland is a work of FICTION.

Also, if you think I am geting myself worked up to much over this, you should remember that peaple in this thread have claimed that I am a liar, deluded, and stupid, for claiming I can do something anyone should be able to do with a bit of training unless they are an idiot.

Also, you are claiming that "nobody can [think in 4d]", which is a negative, you cant prove a negative, and in fact I can disprove your negative by showing someone (me), who CAN think in 4d.

You've already proved all I need to know. If you ask any college professor or anyone specialized in the subject you will find out where your fault lies. I've already said we can preform four dimensional calculations. There are a series of clever tricks to get a feeling of what 4-d objects are like, like the method you described earlier, but it's not actually visualizing them.

I've stated all I can. I'm not going to argue any further. I feel the majority if not the entirety of this forum will agree.

I'll give you a piece of advice. whe you are arguing your point, don't insult people the other party in the argument. It's very bad form.

They're too similar. Both pale aquatic amphibians that remain larva throughout their lives, and have red gills. Olms just don't have eyes and are longer.

There was one experiment done that altered an axolotl's water chemistry and forced it to metamorphose. It turned brown and lost the will to live, and no longer had frilly gills. It's kind of sad.

No, no, I mean use the absolute value to determine whether or not to go in that direction. Like so:

if abs(x_vector) > abs(y_vector)
{
  if x_vector < 0 x -= 1;
  if x_vector > 0 x += 1;
}
if abs(x_vector) < abs(y_vector)
{
  if y_vector < 0 y -= 1;
  if y_vector > 0 y += 1;
}

This would be called whenever a zombie moves. y_vector would be set to the y vector, in case you don't know.

I'm sorry, but to those attracted to quality, you would be a little off-putting. In general the way peoples minds work is "Price = Quality". The more expensive, the better.

For example, I bought a $50 wool cap (The awesome English kind) of high quality.

My dad has like 12 $10 baseball caps.

I prefer quality, while my dad prefers quantity.

I can feel through arms on my eyeballs, it's not that hard, tactile rendering is sometimes easier than visual for many things even.

Don't mock him. I think I see his mistake.

Actually thinking in four dimensions is like actually feeling through your arm-balls. Sure you can imagine what it would feel like to use your cornea-hands, but you can't actually do it unless you truly have eyball arms.

You can imagine what it would be like to think in four dimensions, but you can't. The closest you can do is think in three dimensions over the course of time, just like you can feel with your arm and imagine it as being connected to your eyeballs.

It doesn't work on the internet because everyone wants to just unload their religious based baggage onto the topic rather then really taking part in a discussion.

Then you get people who don't really understand what is going on and think that the topic is just about unleashing as much text partially related to the topic at hand. (Nonsense posters... Who are very much alive on Bay12games)

Then you get people who are offended at the two people above who unleash their wraph (note: This is a System group as they are capable of offending those within this group of people thus sustaining it infinitum.)

With just these three, the list has around 6 points, any religion based topic is doomed to fail. The problem is that the internet cannot handle Controvercy very well.

People are the same in real life. I took a course on argumentation, unfortunately, for most people, argument consists of yelling and screaming until one party leaves in frustration.

The idea that something so incredibly bias could make it into a science textbook, something that should be full of rational thinking, is bizarre. Even more so that its not even bias against religion, at least then you could trust the physics to be accurate. Who knows how much you can trust this thing?
I have nothing against religion but when they try to brainwash people into believing a wrong version of science, that's unacceptable.
Please post more, I would love to see what blatant contradictions this book contains.

I checked the later chapters. Other than some random and often unnecessary Bible verses, it's just your average Physics textbook. The lectures that accompany it, however, make scientists out to be assholes through the whole course.

One glorious piece of logic from the professor is:

"The Bible is the word of god, and explains how the world was created. The scientists made up the theory of evolution. God told us how he made the world, and the scientists weren't there.

It would be like a guy telling you how he made a car, and a scientist walks up and says "no, you must have made it like this..." Since they are going against what god said, they are claiming to have a higher authority than god"

If you thinks physics is bad, my spanish had me translate:

"The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom." Which I think is the single most horrible thing you could teach anyone. Since god in this case is inevitable, it'd be like telling everyone to be afraid of the air."

Again, I don't hold anything personally against Christianity, but I think that such things should be left out of authentic learning material.

So I got my physics course, which, much to my dismay, my mother ordered from Bob Jones Univeristy. In case you didn't know, it's a christian school.

To quote my textbook:

The atheist views mankind as an accidental end product of biological evolution-a natural creature that is not morally responsible to anyone higher than himself. He believes that those "higher" attributes of humanness such as language, love, intellect, philosophy, and religion came into being because they somehow give mankind greater advantage in the battle for the survival of the fittest.

So far, it sounds reasonable. Let's continue.

This view of man as nothing more than a highly evolved animal has led to perversions of law and justice as well as horrendous human atrocities during the world wars in the last century and in regional conflicts that continue to this day.

Woah. I'll give you a while to see how that paragraph related to the one above it.

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so how was your four hours? Note that this says that accepting of mankind as a living creature leads to general bad conduct, genocide, and torture. It even has a picture of a couple of malnourished Jews sitting in a concentration camp.

The writers of this book don't seem to acknowledge that even in an atheist's point of view, human beings are incredible creatures. You don't have to believe in some greater force to be happy, to love, or to be kind and just. Some atheists try to be great people to prove to Christians that they aren't all immoral. The very idea of an animal is almost far fetched considering the chance of such a thing rising from the universe.

Now I'm not a Christian or an Atheist, but this shit offends me. Not so much that it's bullpies, but that it made it into a twelfth grade Physics book.

The animosity between these two groups astounds me. (Again, I'm certain that most people on this forum don't care what religion you are. Nerds seem to be more tolerant.)