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The dumbest fucking thing is that in my setting's timeline (finalized during mid-2022), Russia would have a civil war in September 2023.

Now there's one in fucking June. I'm like the modern Nostradamus (because I also predicted "pseudosapient AI").

I can only hope for actual rebels to crop up amid the chaos.

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MaxTheFox, KittyTac we found what you think about classical Russian literature, what do you think about classical Russian music, which, unlike the literature, did have some impact on the world mass culture?

(not that I think that guys like Tchaikovsky wrote Russian music, they wrote European music with some, very minor, Russian influences here and there)
It's not bad but I'm just not a fan of the classics, like in general. Gimme EDM or metal or whatever.

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An author having literary merit doesn’t (shouldn’t) really mean they’re high-brow.

Shakespeare is rightly considered great, but he’s not above fart jokes.
Yeah, also many "classic" books are just... overrated and boring. Historical curiosity at best. And in today's world I want escapism which is why I read (and write) sci-fi. lol

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I kinda dislike classic literature but I am a diehard science fiction fan so that's par for the course
Roadside Picnic?
Not classic. It's from 1972. Anything before like, 1945, or even 1914, or so is not classic. And besides that's science fiction (and proves sci-fi can have literary merit).

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Kek

I kinda dislike classic literature (not just Russian) but I am a diehard science fiction fan so that's par for the course (our true enemies are not the fantasy fans, but those pretentious literary fiction fans!!!). But I wouldn't go this far. I don't really care what anyone does to it however.

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It's a little sad when people get into a relationship with a glorified chatbot. If it was actual sapient AI yeah I wouldn't mind-- and neither do I think that this should be illegal, but those people should probably go outside a bit more. Or failing that try a long-distance relationship with someone who actually has feelings.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: June 19, 2023, 02:34:42 am »
Ok.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: June 18, 2023, 10:28:57 pm »
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1. Rolan said what I wanted to say here but I think any ideology or belief system, taken too far, results in insanity. Even liberalism and socialism in their pure forms are, at best, inefficient.

Don't mix an extreme form of an ideology (subvariant of the said ideology) with devotion to it.  An extreme version of whatever ism is bad not because some people extremely follow it, it is bad because it is itself extreme and millions of moderate followers of such version are also dangerous.
Well I just disagree with your assessment then. I consider fundamentalism to be kind of... a separate thing that can be made unacceptable separately from moderate faith. I try and dissociate from them.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: June 18, 2023, 12:05:19 pm »
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Yes, the fundies should be wiped out. But if someone tried to wipe out moderate religion with them, well I'd fight against that, gun in hand.
Those are inseparable. You can't have an ideology and don't have people that go deep into it. Furthermore, the best way to judge an ideology is to look at paragons. If religions would be a good thing, fanatics of it would be wonderful people.

And now you see why I don't trust snobby atheists. Why should I take your arguments to heart, or think you're doing this in good faith (no pun intended) if you're willing to blatantly misrepresent me?

It is not a strawman, it is pointing out that irrational beliefs are a source of a lot of shit that doesn't justify - it would be boring otherwise. Also, I see nothing boring in marvelous, complex, infinite reality. There is no need to mix it with falsehoods.
1. Rolan said what I wanted to say here but I think any ideology or belief system, taken too far, results in insanity. Even liberalism and socialism in their pure forms are, at best, inefficient. The real cause of bigotry is simply a fear of people who are not like you and it is a primal feeling. I admit religion can be a catalyst in it but generally bigots are good at finding excuses for their bigotry. And, well, I consider myself something of a paragon of my faith, after all I read the Bible unlike most Christians and I spend my time defending it on some half-dead internet forum. And yet I am far from a bigot.
2. Something about purely physical reality is too terrifying for me. And besides I was talking about what a culture in a hypothetical society of human-Vulcans would be like. :p (though tbh Vulcans are kind of hypocrites even in TOS)

Yes, the fundies should be wiped out.
I think that large portion of people you meet online with extreme views are often young people who are still figuring out stuff and insecure in their beliefs, but they usually grow out of it.

I do not like people only cast stone at others and think that their shit don't stink.
Wiped out, meaning their bigoted interpretation being wiped out. I don't propose, I don't know, putting them against the wall. I'm not like that anymore.

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I still don't get how Reddit is so popular I find the interface on it a pain in the ass and I can never find anything on it.

Also looking at it on a phone is a pain, if I wanted their dumb ass app I would have downloaded it, stop bitching at me for not using it.
iirc it blew up at a time when its then-competitors like Digg (and traditional forums) were faltering, because for its time it had a better UI and features, and thus managed to claw out a near-monopoly, then kind of... coasted along once a critical mass of users was achieved. Then of course they got complacent and shot themselves in the foot, as social media companies are wont to do. Hubris is the main killer of such services.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: June 18, 2023, 07:35:31 am »
Wonderful strawmen, you two. Can you quote the post where I said all irrational beliefs were good? Especially conspiracy theories. I am allowed to hate parts of something without hating it all. Yes, the fundies should be wiped out. But if someone tried to wipe out moderate religion with them, well I'd fight against that, gun in hand.

And now you see why I don't trust snobby atheists. Why should I take your arguments to heart, or think you're doing this in good faith (no pun intended) if you're willing to blatantly misrepresent me?

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: June 18, 2023, 06:24:21 am »
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Science and religion should be kept as separate as possible

Science is merely a method to understand how things work. Separating it from something is willful ignorance.
Yes because legitimizing people's bias caused by religion is how you get good science. That's how it works!

This is why a honest scientist should apply science to their religion, see that it isn't supported by evidence, and stop being religious. Instead, religious scientists do separate science from their religion.
My interpretation of my religion doesn't really contradict science and the field I am going into (material science) doesn't really have a shot at disproving anything (if it even was possible to disprove it). Lol

A world where everyone only held "rational" beliefs would be a quite boring world, honestly. I'm happy to be fighting the fight to make sure that world doesn't come to pass.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: June 17, 2023, 08:39:02 pm »
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Science and religion should be kept as separate as possible

Science is merely a method to understand how things work. Separating it from something is willful ignorance.
Yes because legitimizing people's bias caused by religion is how you get good science. That's how it works!

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: June 16, 2023, 11:42:13 pm »
I understand that there are many atheists who are quite comfortable with mortality and I envy them. I am not one of those. I do want to continue existing. What is more important, I don't want to lose my loved ones forever...

But yeah, ceasing to exist is very much preferable to eternal slavery to the evil tyrant described in the Bible. Especially if I'll know that billions of people are suffering in hell (not that I, a blasphemer, have a chance to avoid hell :D)

To me non-existence sounds rather peaceful. The complete cessation of all sensation and myself. There's a lot I'd like to experience in my life, but it's not like I'm going to regret what I missed out on when I'm dead, and the end of my internal monologue* sounds pretty good tbh, even if I won't be around to enjoy the peace and quiet. No anxiety, no depression, no anger, no sadness, no hunger or pain. Just nothing, not even a me to experience the nothing.

*I have one of those internal monologues that never stops. I find it hard to imagine anything else, but I am told that's not the case for everyone.
idk this sounds terrifying to me. I am just scared of things ending.

If an omnibenevolent God created a system in which existing without his involvement is an eternal torture, then I question his omnibenevolence. Especially if the best way to get that eternal torture is merely not believing something.
The omnibenevolence is a lie invented by believers (or, probably more specifically, proselytizers) in direct contravention to stated (and, assuming it exists in any sense even remotely similar in capability to what's attributed to it, observed) behavior, yes. This is true especially for the various abrahamic/monotheistic gods, but more generally as well. Existent reality just does not cohere to a tri-omni god in particular, nor a benevolent one less specifically unless it's remarkably powerless or ignorant.

Staggeringly little about the state of reality or attributed behavior in various religious traditions makes a single goddamn lick of sense if the divine was actually omnibenevolent, and it stretches things real hard just to be benevolent at all. The only way theologians have been able to even a little square that circle is by pissing all over the meaning of the word benevolent(/good)... which can be fun to watch if you're in the right mindset, but in most cases is just varying levels of infuriating. Religious language is interesting right up until it tells you god was being benevolent, actually, when it had your child die screaming in a fire, bleh.

Things make more sense if you acknowledge the divine are exactly as spiteful, petty, and murderous as they're described. It's a miserable sort of sense if you think they actually exist, mind, because it means everything is a spate of suffering wound up and manipulated by a omnipotent egotistical hatebeast that could at any time just slaughter pretty much your entire species on a whim, and is probably taking time to figure out how to torture (sorry, "test") you for its amusement, but it's at least coherent.

If there's a wise statement I've seen come out of religious belief, it's that if you meet God on the road, you should cut the miserable thing down.
Cope. Seethe. Mald. Dilate.

On a serious note, @McTraveller I think it's a fool's errand to try and provide any kind of real evidence for spiritual beliefs. That way lies crackpottery of all kinds. Science and religion should be kept as separate as possible or you get things like YECs. Or bullshit new-age con artists.

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The real threat from AI is not the AI itself but corporate greed exploiting people via AI to make line go up. That is why I support eliminating all AI regulations except things like "no social credit systems or AI-powered mass surveillance". Regulations here help corporations because corporations can find loopholes, or just ignore the regulations deadass. Meanwhile independents and small businesses are the ones actually affected by AI regulations.

The consequence is of course societal upheaval. But guess what, the hotter it burns the sooner it passes. Put a brick on the gas pedal of progress and see where we end up. Maybe the corpos will get run over in the process. ;D

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