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Supposedly Putin's fled to a nice little forest resort.

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-putin-escapes-secret-palace-amid-anti-draft-protests-report-2022-9?r=US&IR=T

I hate to keep drawing parallels to history (no I don't) but now it's looking a bit French Revolution-y. Will we see the guillotine?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Hey, Imagine what a song-writing GPT model can do!?

We, humanity, are doomed ((((
Quote from: NovelAI's Euterpe model
[ Lyrics for a pop song.] ((This and the em space before the first line were my prompt.))
  This is not a lyric
 But an idea
 From the perspective of a
 Mermaid
 At first I didn't know where to go, what to do
 I was just swimming around in a small pond.
 But then it came to me.
 And now my tail's strong as a rock and
 My hair's long and pretty like the seaweed on the beach.
 My arms are like seaweeds too.
 I'm the prettiest mermaid you've ever seen.
 If anyone asks, tell 'em that I'm a mermaid!
 If they say that I can't be one because I've got legs,
 Then I'll turn into a fish.
 So don't worry 'bout me.
 There's nothing I can't do if I set my mind to it.
 The ocean is big—it goes on forever and ever.
 As long as you're happy, everything will be fine!
 The sea is a friendly place for anyone who's
 A mermaid
 And anyone who's not.
 Anyone who's not, please come join us!
 Everyone's welcome.

It sucks at rhymes and keeping meter. But honestly it's better than I expected. Still, it's made for prose. Anyways, I don't really feel manipulated by this to say the least.

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комисса́ры?

(Do they still exist? Or will do again?)
Surprisingly, no(t yet).

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If you can't understand how a song can push you into doing things you otherwise wouldn't, this conversation is hopeless.

For the record: Disambiguation (also called word sense disambiguation or text disambiguation) is the act of interpreting an author's intended use of a word that has multiple meanings or spellings.
You're thinking of influence. That's not manipulation. And it's nothing new, really. Nor will it affect the world all that much. True AI will, sure. But it won't be GPT, or at least not solely GPT.

Fakedit: Strongpoint said what I said in more words.

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A song isn't self-aware but a good one manipulates you plenty.

The right words and the right notes are all that's ever needed.
No it doesn't. A song can't compel and socially engineer me into doing something like a skilled human would.

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What even is your point? Yeah sure, GPT can create convincing characters, and it can answer certain kinds of questions pretty well with the right training, which makes it useful. What I, Strongpoint, and KT don't get is how you are making the leap from "well-written character" to "character that manipulates you somehow despite not only not being self-aware but also having nothing physical to coerce you with".

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Again, instructions and valuable(ish) questions would be a good fit for GPT. But not human small talk. No way would I be truly "friends" with a chatbot.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, at all. Look at the thread title man.
You talked about chatbots manipulating people. That requires actually having any agency instead of being a fancy answer machine.

100B, 1T, 10T GPT models will still

1) Be unable to react to current events
2) Will either have either short memory OR produce completely random answers because of some unrelated conversation 5K tokens ago
3) Be incredibly, unbelievably bad at everything math related. And everything that requires abstract thinking.
4) most importantly, still possess nothing resembling self-awareness

Can we create actual AIs that can manipulate us? Probably. Those won't be language models
^ my point exactly.

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"Getting the right answer" is not intelligence.  "Knowing why the answer is right" is a better measure of intelligence.  "Being able to teach others why the answer is right" is perhaps even an even better measure.

That said - it's practically irrelevant if a group of people are following instructions generated by a human versus those generated by a non-sentient or non-sapient computer program.  If you are getting instructions on how to make a sandwich, and the result of following the instructions is a tasty, arguably nutritious food, does it matter?

If the instructions are "how to avoid going bankrupt" or "how to avoid political unrest" or "how to establish equity and diversity", does it matter how they are generated?  Note this is not "do the ends justify the means" - the "means" would be the particular instructions, such as if "instructions to get a tasty sandwich: rob a famous diner."

Remember that almost all AI today is simply a stochastic pattern matching device. There is some research and work occurring about how to give some of these devices "agency" which goes beyond the pattern matching.
Again, instructions and valuable(ish) questions would be a good fit for GPT. But not human small talk. No way would I be truly "friends" with a chatbot.

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Okay, you missed my and drag's point.

Being a good conversationalist for the kind of conversations humans have requires both having actual perception of the world and having a good memory. Throwing more data at the problem doesn't solve the fact that your bot will be unable to both get context of the immediate outside world (e.g the weather, the outcome of the run in your favorite roguelite that you just finished) and recent events (the latest happenings in Ukraine, the recent election in the Republic of Placeholderland). The only solutions are either frequently retraining the network (computationally expensive as shit, will be out of reach of consumers for the foreseeable future) or integrating other mechanisms into GPT (good luck).

I don't disagree that it would be a good answerer of hypothetical questions. That's not my point. Most people (ahem) don't have every single of their conversations be a hypothetical question.

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"Genius" that is a blind, deaf amnesiac? Do you even understand how neural network chatbots work?

I've outlined in exhausting detail why they could come up with answers better then the average bear if you give them the correct information. You think just because they can't independently observe their intelligence is useless. Every question asked on the internet is to people who can't directly observe your problem, and yet it's kinda fucking popular.
First of all, that won't solve the problem of small talk. No amount of datasetting can. You would need to actually have perception for that to be possible. That would indeed be solvable with the correct information... and GPT can't get that sort of information in real-time by its very nature. Second of all, retraining neural nets, particularly large ones, on new info is expensive and time-consuming so that won't solve discussing news or feedback about newly-made media. I won't be able to e.g talk to a chatbot about my SF setting or discuss that newly-released AAA game with it.

This is why I would never consider a GPT chatbot sapient, no matter how large its dataset is. I reserve the term "pseudosapient" for such hypothetical entities. The seams will always be there without a fundamentally different approach to AI.

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Other Games / Re: The Cataclysm games thread.
« on: September 22, 2022, 08:23:18 am »
I wish there was a way to tell when a military backpack or any other bit of clothing had an attached pouch with out having to pick it up and activate it, why couldn't they do it like guns with a + and a number?
Or like for ballistic vests, with e.g "(mag pouches)".

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I am female, I don't really have to worry.


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"Genius" that is a blind, deaf amnesiac? Do you even understand how neural network chatbots work?

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