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I'm, honestly going to keep my vote on webadict right now. I feel they're trying to control the narrative.

If Web is town I think he's probably right on who scum are.

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 24, 2022, 10:55:56 am

@Max:
I don't see a miller in the previous game, where?

Quote from: Maximum Spin on December 22, 2022, 02:02:45 am

My role power doesn't really seem to be based on the player's actual role from that game

It seems to me like my role is more based on EuchreJack's interpretation of how the previous game worked. I assumed the other roles were also like that, so are you saying yours is exactly the power the player had?

I have one ability and works just like part of that player's role, it's not exact.

How would you feel about me targeting you tonight? This is no guarantee of course.

Some other comments: Knightwing's role in the previous game had a late clause which meant he couldn't use his one-shot kill until after D3. Tric has stated his kill isn't one-shot and there probably isn't a late clause either.

I feel like the two people I most need to worry about being mafia are web and Toony. Moreover, I don't think you're both mafia. So, why don't each of you tell me who I should vote for?

Well, we're not both mafia.

I feel like Webadict is mafia, and he seems to think the same about me. I currently can't tell if this is a bad misunderstanding between us. It's obviously very embarrassing when we're both town and make enemies of each other.

I think you and Deus are possible mafia, but I don't want to vote you. I haven't seen either of you really under fire yet. Both of you support no-lynching which might be a sign I'm on the wrong side.

I feel better about Jim, since Web is antagonizing Jim and I'm usually pretty good at reading Jim. This might actually make Web look better, since he usually misreads Jim as mafia when he's town while I correctly read Jim as town when I'm town.

I'm not considering Tric or KW.

I guess roleblocks and redirects aren't guaranteed, but I was just looking at the past game list and they existed there.

@Webadict:
There are plenty of games where I don't want Tric voted. I was a pretty staunch defender of him in Dragon Deez Nuts Mafia and he wasn't even town. I also defended KW there too.

I'm not siding with Tric to gain his favor. I'm 100% certain Tric would shoot me no matter what I said because when N1 starts he'll impulsively pick the player that rubbed him the most wrong. This isn't necessarily me, but you get the point.

I think mafia would be more afraid of a "wildcard" loose cannon than town would be.

I don't like how you don't think Tric is mafia but are still in favor of voting them.

@Jim:
I don't think Tric is with anybody, but at least you want to vote him because you think he's scum.

This is weird for me to say, but I'm seeing this premonition now where lynching Tric today loses us the game.

I think your increased opinion of Webadict thanks to his interactions with Knightwing feels genuine, as I had the same feeling there. If Web is legit his misgivings towards me are very unfounded.

I can only tell you what my role is, Toony.  I can't make you believe me.  So, how about this Toony?  If you agree to being shot by TricMagic, I won't mind voting for a No Elim.  I won't protect you, naturally, so there is that.

I'd agree to that.  Sounds pretty fair.

I'm dead either way. If mafia don't kill me then Tric will, they may even both kill me which makes Tric look suspicious I guess but at least only one player dies.

Okay how about this, statement time: If I'm the only dead person tonight don't vote Tric. Or Knightwing. I'm banking all my holiday marbles on this. If I'm dead along with someone else tonight then Tric is not mafia. Web could be correct in suspecting SK, but I don't believe this.

No, just a trick to see how you would react. I'm good at those.

Consider this, how many people are interested in me not shooting them tonight? If town, they more want me not to shoot them. If scum, they want me dead so I can't shoot them.

For now your response seems townish enough, I guess. So Knightwing64.

I would shoot someone tonight if we no lynch, that way if mafia kill someone else you're pretty cleared as not mafia. (I think Webadict realizes this and is trying to pin you as a SK which makes sense to me if he's mafia.)

If two people die tonight we're still at 5 people and even better if Tric hits mafia.

Also, if you actually think I'm scum, you're gonna lose.

If you're against no lynching I'm still fine seeing you flip.

I checked, there were some protection roles but I didn't see any that protected two, maybe Jack gave a buff? Mafia also had a special kill that could bypass protection (Jim had it I think).

I'm not entirely confident in my read of you, but I'm suspicious of your attitude towards Tric and Knightwing.

I think I'm also willing to vote Jim or Deus right now, but still prefer just no lynching. My role likely favors us no lynching anyway.

When did you start thinking a SK was possible then?

I really don't believe we have 3 kills in a 7 player game.

Right now I think we have the mafiakill and then whatever Tric's kill is. I think it's reasonable to say we likely have more than 1 kill in this game, because Tric would have to be lying in some mafia gambit for there to be only 1. Plus, if we believe your double protect claim the role makes more sense if there's two kills.

I think this is town Knightwing being needlessly sketchy instead of mafia Knightwing trying to avoid having to play, but I'm not convinced of that.

This is how I feel so maybe we're on the same page.

Max with no vote?

ToonyMan

Quote from: ToonyMan on December 23, 2022, 01:39:51 am

I like that plan because it gives mafia an incentive to kill Tric tonight.

Worst case he shoots anyway and misses leaving us probably at a 5 player lylo instead of straight up losing.

I disagree with this plan on several levels, but also for role related reasons.

If you want to control how Tric shoots, just use a vote, what the fuck, Toony?

Look, Tric is a scary mofo with a gun, but I'm not voting a player I think is town. You said earlier you were totally going to roleblock Tric so I see even less of a reason why you would disagree.

Are me and Max both wrong about Knightwing? I think it's possible, but unlikely.

PPE:

Actually, I have reason to believe that there is a Mafia AND an SK, but I won't share why.

Wouldn't that make the odds of Tric also being a town vig absurd? Why the lack of concern over Tric when he initially claimed?