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Does Vector/EJ/KW make sense? Why tf does Knightwing64 redirect people from EuchreJack to ToonyMan if he thinks he's scum and he knows I am going to fucking shoot EuchreJack

Did Knightwing64 even submit his own action?

I don't know

I don't know what Knightwing is thinking. I felt their accusation of me here was sudden, but I could understand the paranoia.

I really don't think Knightwing is mafia. Look, even in that post I linked he has no idea how the Countdown works and thinks he blocked me from using it on Night 3. If Knightwing is acting clueless he's doing an amazing job at it.

Who's the Countdown mafia Jack? We kind of lose if we're wrong today.

Toony, matey, there you go being uncharitable again. And this time it's even less to yer credit. Of course it bloody matters! If redirecting were to take precedence over randomisation, it would show KW was definitely lying, savvy?

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Jack randomized Jim last night.

Jim's target became randomized.

Jim's random target became NJW.

Jim never targeted Jack last night.

Jim was never redirected by Knightwing.

I do not see how the redirect could happen before the randomize unless the randomize operates completely differently than all rationale logic.

Jack my mafia friend, can you explain to us how your randomize works since it's important.

That and a bit tired from workout. Question... Did Knightwing know about you being safe from a kill? Cause that puts him in the worst light if the case, cause his redirect would not cut down the numbers at all.

I refuse to believe Knightwing redirected actions from Jack to NJW last night. I think their claim is truthful.

Honestly, I think Jack is scum acting scummy on purpose to hide the true countdowner

So why did you redirect actions away from him last night?

If we're dead set on scum!EJ, Nakeen does look like they might be coordinating with them quite heavily. Given their mediocre D1, stuff like this post where they take EJ over Vector looks a little too good to be true. And maybe I'm just wrong about how Jack's been playing, I don't know.

I just can't see Nakeen as scum. Maybe it looks like Nakeen has been really "on the ball" with the game state, but I think that's because they're playing well.

I'm leaning towards countdown!Nakeen.

Hey, the claim flavour fits.

That's true sort of with the Being Late role, but that's about as good evidence as NQT's (or Juice's) claim flavor.

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 10:55:50 am

Jack's inspect... shouldn't have failed right? Since Nakeen was blocked from delaying them thanks to Trick.

Aye, now we're getting somewhere. There's no reason it should have failed that I can see.

I think Jack is trying to get as much heat as possible. A suspicious claim is perfect for this.

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 10:55:50 am

but none of that makes sense unless Jack is the Countdowner, but his actions don't line up with that to me.

What kind of activity would you expect from the Countdowner then?

They'd want to look as town as possible to avoid being executed or killed. They'd also have an incentive to not kill any players to maximum the amount of possible Countdowners. Lurking hardcore and not caring is the opposite of what I'd expect.

KW is a claimed redirector and there is no evidence their redirect actually happened last night (or indeed on N1). Or EJ could be the redirector onto KW.

I believe Knightwing. They showed a heavy suspicion of me the previous day, so their redirect makes sense to same way they suspected Max on N1.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 08, 2022, 03:08:58 am

Quote from: Nakéen on November 08, 2022, 03:03:43 am

This is a good post. I don't think you're the countdowner because you give a shit about the game.

Vector also had it out for you all game long.

Bad post cause of the fact they misunderstand my kill. I can only kill people that are already on fire, which are TolyK and Jim. My only method of triggering it last night came with a roleblock. So killing Jim means Jim's kill doesn't happen. Killing TolyK might have worked out, but they had the investigation.

Assuming ToyK/Me are town, we know that Jim/NJW are town.
Assuming NQT is town, we know... Hmm, what was NQT's night 1 result again.

Thanks for clarifying, your action makes more sense.

@NQT:
I think if you're town then it has to be Jack and Knightwing, but none of that makes sense unless Jack is the Countdowner, but his actions don't line up with that to me. In addition Knightwing acted in conflict with Vector on N1 and I feel they have been playing pretty independent and are town.

I also don't think it's solo scum since two mafia and an ally is really low for 14 players. Not really feeling an SK right now.

PPE:
Jim role blocked NJW while trying to kill them. FoU confirmed that even though NJW none'd (which TolyK confirms) he still gets a blocked message.

Don't know what KW is currently thinking since they've been busy apparently, but I can believe that. Hopefully they are available today.

Jack's inspect... shouldn't have failed right? Since Nakeen was blocked from delaying them thanks to Trick.

@TolyK:
There's nothing to say Jack isn't the Countdowner, however I believe he's acting like far too easy a target. This could be a double bluff, but based on Vector's own behavior I think Jack is in the same boat as Vector and doesn't care like Jim said.

Actually that would just be a single bluff wouldn't it?

@NQT:
How much do you believe your results?

I want to hear your own thoughts on this, not just "aarr he tp or me results messed with".

@TolyK:
There's nothing to say Jack isn't the Countdowner, however I believe he's acting like far too easy a target. This could be a double bluff, but based on Vector's own behavior I think Jack is in the same boat as Vector and doesn't care like Jim said.