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To be fair TricMagic is still very much mysterious to me, but the Countdown doesn't seem to mesh well with Tric's early claim of gaining something from being the last dragon standing.

This rings true to me. I don't think Tric is mafia either, but this reasoning is good.

I think the Countdowner has to 100% be inside Jack/NQT/Knightwing/TolyK so this needs to be true for us to have a chance.

I told people not to inspect NJW yesterday but TolyK didn't listen to me for some reason.

This does make me trust TolyK the least out of the players I think are town.

I was looking at Vector's posts in this game. It's hard for me to tell anything from them, especially after being wrong about Juicebox.

Jack and NQT both jumped on Vector pretty readily on D3 so if they're partners then they were already full on the Countdown plan at that point. I don't think mafia were playing to the Countdown wincon at first because they killed Max, but there's no evidence mafia tried to kill after that besides Jim blocking Jack on N2. Mafia probably don't want anybody to die if they're going for it since it makes it that much stronger.

I think I get it. NJW was roleblocked because Jim's roleblock/kill targeted him instead of Jack last night thanks to Jack's delayed action. NJW is on fire because TolyK inspected them with Tric's one-shot thing they ended up using on Jim N1 before.

Why isn't NJW dead though? I need to sort the N4 actions.

Right right, Tric clarified that NJW had Congregation thanks to Vector which protects them from a kill...uh thanks mafia for sabotaging yourself I guess? Not that it really matters when we're in a 9 player lylo where we have to hit a single mafia.

From what I can tell, Toony is telling the truth.

Why is Nightwing town?

Knightwing's actions don't make sense to me if they're with Vector.

They seem to be acting on their own.

Wait. NQT had a countdown post restriction... What were his night actions, again?

Juicebox also thought NQT was suspicious on D4 when I asked them due to their sort of countdown role.

Toony: could you fullclaim, please?

I don't want to waste your time, but this is stuff I'd like to know.

You're right. It's effectively lylo anyway.

I am The Worst Possible Post Restriction.

I wanted some goofy post restriction, but instead FoU made me a mailman.

I have a night action called Oh Tiamat - It’s The Post Inspectors which gives a player the status "Post Inspectors". Post Inspectors is a status that a player is told about, and it tells them that if they receive any items then they go elsewhere instead. This elsewhere is me. I haven't used this night action because the watch is better. It also technically counts as an auto because of the status or something which confused me so I thought I could use two night actions at once on N1, this isn't the case and FoU clarified with me.

I have another night action called Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction which is a two-shot that steals all items the player I target has, as well as watch them and see if anybody visits them. I was able to successfully use this on N2 and N4 so I'm out of shots.

I have a day ability called Customs Restriction which allows me to restrict a player's targets to three living players at the time. If they don't target one of those players the following night then they are roleblocked. I used this on D1, D2, and D3.

I had another day ability called Lockdown that's a one-shot. It allows me to for one day prevent any players from taking items from the public item pool, and learn the name of any players that do so. I never used this and gave it to TolyK on D2 as part of their offer. The public item pool has never been relevant.

On D1 I targeted Jim with Customs Restriction and made them have to target me, Web, or Jack.
On N1 I received an offer (from TolyK), got Dragon Walnuts (from Jim), and was roleblocked (by Web). I tried to watch Web with Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction but got no result because blocked. Dragon Walnuts are an item that prevent me from dying for a night if I use them. I haven't used them.
On D2 I accepted an offer and gave a player (TolyK) Lockdown in exchange for Devil's Grace, which is an auto one-shot that protects me if I were to die, or gives a kill action that has piercing. I also used Customs Restriction on Nakeen and made them have to target Vector, TolyK, or Juicebox.
On N2 I targeted Jim with Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction and successfully got a result that Vector visited Jim while also getting Cool Shades from them. It's pretty apparent that I actually targeted NJW since Vector targeted NJW and NJW had the Cool Shades.
On D3 I used Customs Restriction on TolyK, forcing them to target me, Tric, or Vector. Vector died on D3 so it was basically just me or Tric.
On N3 I tried to use Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction on Jim, but was roleblocked.
On D4 I used Cool Shades on myself.
On N4 I used Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction on Jim and got the result that Jack visited Jim.
On D5 I used Cool Shades on myself.

Too late in the day apparently.

You know Tric, just for that I'll post what I originally wrote up when the day ended. Jim probably wants to see this anyway.


Some of my thoughts at the time are wrong, but I didn't realize at the time.

Quote from: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 07:24:03 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:50:31 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 06:38:44 pm

Remember the devil thing? I gave them my inspect, they got it as a 1-shot. It still sets people on fire. Ergo TolyK is our mysterious firesetter.

That makes sense.

Want to confirm your full results TolyK?

Correct! I got the result that NJW is town, and didn't do anything this night. Given nobody else is on fire, I probably was not redirected or messed with. I think they're probably safe.

I am On Fire though...

I think Tric roleblocking you is what made you On Fire, but yes you're right.

I'm honestly not sure what to think today. Do we have much more info today? We could start by elimination of probably-not-mafia-bombs: NJW inspected, Jim inspected, me cuz I couldn't have actioned (though feel free to suspect me anyways). Who else? I don't feel like rereading, but I'll have to. 

I think Jim and NJW are locktown unless you want to believe Jim and Tric are partners somehow, which I don't.

Nakeen I think is also super town unless there's insane distancing between themselves and Vector, which I don't believe.

Tric is probably town and just being dumb. Knightwing is probably town.

You're probably town TolyK.

Which leaves Jack and NQT in my eyes.

Remember the devil thing? I gave them my inspect, they got it as a 1-shot. It still sets people on fire. Ergo TolyK is our mysterious firesetter.

That makes sense.

Want to confirm your full results TolyK?

Also might confirm knightwing sending everything to NJW, but still marks them as third party for after all this I guess.

I don't understand what this means. Are you theorizing that Knightwing redirected actions to NJW?

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:04:18 pm

You seem very concerned.

And what precisely do ye mean by that, lubber?

How much do you believe your N4 results? Give me your inner soul thoughts.

Your opening post today gives me the impression you're very convinced, which I am extremely disappointed of.

I'll go over all the claims and the like and draw up me treasure maps... but in good time when everyone has had time to say their piece and I have time to have me kip. Rush on the deck and you risk rolling the boat. I made enough mistakes the last time I cast onto these seas, no need to make more.

I'm not going to read back now but when I do I hope to see the answer to what all those alleged delays did.

Thank you.