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No. I think Knightwing is probably town.

To expand on this:

Knightwing's actions have come into conflict with the mafia this whole game.

1. He redirected actions from Web to Max on N1 which threw off mafia!Vector. He then eagerly admitted he received two votes to everyone.
2. Knightwing none'd on N2 for some reason, not sure about that.
3. On N3 he jailkeeped me while Vector also probably tried to target me to Congregate me, but Vector got redirected to NJW thanks to NJW. Not sure why mafia!Knightwing would do this because if Vector actually Congregate'd me I wouldn't be able to kill mafia anyway (not that I have kill).
4. On N4 he redirected actions from Jack to me. This doesn't mean much unless he was partners with Jack, which I don't believe...

In addition, he opens the game by claiming SK-miller which is already a towntell to me.

Every action that targeted Jack instead went to Toony

Makes sense. You don't trust me and trust Jack for some reason.

So, we kill Knightwing then? Jim's action got randomized after all.

No. I think Knightwing is probably town.

I don't believe mafia have any incentive to try to kill at this point. This is confirmed by Nakeen who claims Jack's N3 action was not a killing action. I don't believe there was a mafiakill even performed on N3 and there couldn't have been a mafiakill on N4. Maybe mafia tried to kill me on N3 and Knightwing blocked it, but this is also unlikely as Vector probably truthfully claimed they tried to Congregate me on N3.

I believe Jack killed Max on N1 (they were not redirected by Knightwing, they clearly went for Max while Vector tried to Congregrate Webadict for later) and that Jack probably tried to kill on N2, but was blocked by Jim.

Tric, why didn't you try to kill last night?

You're already outed, so nope. A jailkeep wouldn't have killed the target. Unless Knightwing is third party.

Fuck you. I'm busting my ass to help town. Even if you believe NQT's incorrect claim it still means I'm not mafia, I think the only third-parties that would want to help mafia in this situation would be a second mafia-ally or a Hunter targeting town.


I'm trying to find mafia. I only chose Juicebox over Jack (or NQT) on D4 because of incredibly unlucky circumstances and Vector's well played shading of Juice on D1.

NJW being alive after a kill targeting them and also being roleblocked makes me think they were jailkeeped, how is this unreasonable during the time Knightwing isn't here to confirm?

In addition, while I'm thinking about that...

@MOD: If a player none'd are they still notified that they were roleblocked?

@Jack:
Why didn't you claim on Day 3?

Also, I want you to explain the reasoning for your Vector votes on Day 2 and Day 3. They seem unnatural and random.

Of course the day starts finally when I'm away.

I made a pretty angry rant after the day ended about how unfair this Final Countdown mafiakill is, but because the night took so long I've cooled off and don't think I should post it unless people want to see mad Toony. I think it would be a waste to complain about it at this point and I'm just gonna try to play this game out.

I'm a little upset Tric didn't mention they didn't get the refill from Juicebox until EoD3 up until the very end of Day 4, but it looks like Jim got the refill from Juice anyway?

@MOD: Can you confirm how Day actions work and whether they would resolve even if that player was being executed?

Anyway onto Day 5 comments before I delve into this game further and my reasoning of who I think the Final Countdown player is.

So, Knightwing and Nakeen are the only ones who could have stopped the kill. Which is it?

Mafia couldn't have used a mafiakill last night Tric. Final Countdown means they can't use mafiakill anymore, although I suppose other means of killing are valid. There was also the fact that Nakeen claims to have delayed Jack on N3 as well as Knightwing claimed to have jailkeeped me on N3.

Yo ho ahoy me hearties! I have some bountiful news! Last night I hunted the big whale himself: Toony O'Man... and the blasted barnacle botherer is an Omega class...

aye in layman's language, the Toon is a third-party!

I'm town so you're lying or being messed with.

Welp.. I roleblocked Nakeen last night, so Knightwing's the only one who could have blocked the kill?

Unless it's something Toony did, but...

You should have used your kill.

1. This would have made you very likely town since mafia can't mafiakill anymore.
2. This would have probably removed another player, even if you were wrong it would reduce the amount of possible Final Countdown players.

I thought of explaining this to you, but not until after the day had already ended.

I think your presence has hurt town quite a bit Tric, although I can't scumread you for this.

juicebox recharged my kill.

I shot EuchreJack again.

Interesting. I want confirmation from the MOD as well as an explanation from Jack.

I lived because I had the Congregation status from Vector, which is a one-time bulletproof.

Sadly, I am no longer on fleek due to being on fire, so I lost my extra vote. I've lost everything this game: my sunglasses, my edge, my town-confirmed status, my bulletproof, and even my extra vote.

There's one thing I'd still like to know.

Who tried to kill me?

I'm still pretty sure you're town NJW.

Not sure who tried to kill you. I would think if Jack was delayed by Nakeen on N3 then that's there kill going off on you N4, but I don't believe Jack would try to kill you the same night Vector was giving you Congregation status.

Being On Fire makes me suspect Tric, but Nakeen should be able to confirm they were roleblocked by Tric?

If you were roleblocked then I suspect Knightwing used their jailkeep on you? So that's why you're alive probably. Knightwing, can you confirm?

TricMagic roleblocked me and set me On Fire, I can confirm this.

I tried to delay Jack again, it was really my default choice.

More importantly I was informed EuchreJack did not fire a Kill Action during N3.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Better question, what did you do the previous night(s)?

^
Exactly.

Jack, you posted a single time on Day 4 and didn't even claim what you did on Night 3.

I'm like 99% sure you're mafia and 90% sure you're acting scummy as fuck on purpose.

At the end of Day 4 I said NQT was scummy, but didn't think it was with you. But now you've decided to draw as much heat as possible after the Final Countdown started to eat the execution and keep your Final Countdown partner alive for the win. Sure, maybe you're double bluffing, but I don't think you have the balls. Meanwhile, having more players alive probably benefits the Final Countdown ability significantly, so there's no reason to even kill players if you're going for the Countdown win. This means a mafia!NQT not killing NJW is very reasonable and I want to believe he's the Countdown player and you're his partner.

Nakeen makes a very good point here on Day 2 that maybe Jack didn't really target NQT on N1 since they're partners.

I want to believe Jim, Tric, NJW, and Nakeen are town.

I'm reasonably sure Knightwing and TolyK are also town.

I feel strongly confident that Jack is mafia, but I don't think they're Final Countdowner unless they're going for a crazy double bluff play.

That leaves NQT as my choice currently.

I want more time to think about this though.


PPE:

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NQT visits Toony(TP)
TricMagic Roleblocks Nakeen(confirmed)
Jim shoots Euchrejack>Directly to NJW
NJW noned
Knightwing redirected Jim to NJW? Unlikely.

Knightwings claimed actions? As a dragon, is burning something they do?

This is a good start. Let's get the claims sorted. I don't want to make any assumptions.

I watched Jim last night and saw Jack visit them. I believe it's unlikely Jack would visit Jim if they're both mafia.

I was tempted to watch Jack last night to see if Jim would really try to kill them (and maybe steal shit from Jack), but felt it wasn't worth it in the end. I didn't take any items from Jim so they don't have any items.

Jim, notice anything weird happen?

Jack, why did you visit Jim last night? Also, what did you do Night 3?


PPE AGAIN:

Right, let me see...

Night 1: Learned the ability that NQT used that night.
Night 2: Was roleblocked and lost one life.
Night 3: Attempted to Randomize Jim so as to Not Die, My action failed.
Night 4: Attempted to preform an investigation, that action failed, Instead Randomized Jim onto NJW2000.  Sorry NJW2000, but at least you didn't die!

I see.

If Juicebox is mafia, then Jack is probably the last and we win.

If Juicebox is town then wtf do we do. Something like Jim/Tric is crazy unlikely but technically possible? NQT could be scum with a lot of players that aren't named Jack. I don't know, there's a very good chance I'll be alive tomorrow so we can all die together if we're wrong about the Final Countdown player.

PPE:

Erm... why?

Consider it my opinion if Juicebox is town.

Quote from: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 01:43:34 pm

Per previous note, it filled my oneshots. So Dragon Scales is now a 2 shot.

Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.

I had tried to use it this night, got roleblocked. Not sure if the 1-shot was used up - sent in a question.

No it doesn't. My watch has limited uses, not that you could even tell since I've unsuccessfully used it more times than not.