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Aw I'm glad I made your day.

I think you've done a much better job than me in this game anyway. It's like some...Supernatural curse.



I looked at D1 again. I don't know if I'll do D2.

Spoiler: Jack & Max (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: NQT & Hector (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Bonus Content (click to show/hide)

Jack & Max Summary
Jack and Max interacted about 27 times on D1.

I don't really feel like Jack is with Max. There's a few reasons, but I'll list some main points:

1. Jack actively sabotaged a way to save Max at EoD1 by tearing down the 4mask wagon and wanting NQT or Hector instead.
2. Max was willing to die and did not vote to save themselves.
3. Jack and Max openly discussed how Jack was going to copy Max's action on N1 and needed to clarify with Max that it's a copy and not steal.

Counterpoints:

1. Jack townread Max really early in-game and never let go of it, had no desire to vote Max on D1.
2. Jack seems incredibly on-the-ball with reads and has been very accurate with player alignments.
3. Has not been as active on D2 and D3, although has given a reason why.

I don't feel these are strong enough to suspect Jack is Evil.

NQT & Hector Summary
NQT and Hector interacted about 13 times on D1.

I think it's possible that NQT and Hector are Evil together. Main points:

1. NQT and Hector both harassed Lenglon together for claiming not-Evil/TP, who cares about voting not-Evil/TP?
2. Hector defends NQT towards EoD1 and shows no suspicion of them.
3. Hector and NQT were both voting Max together for EoD1 (Hector later unvotes Max but doesn't vote anybody, maybe Hector felt comfortable being in a three-way tie because Evil decides ties?)
4. NQT hasn't done any interesting chart/visuals, his main thing has been showing the current vote tallies and going "these people voting me are suspicious!"

Counterpoints:

1. Hector townreading NQT is similar to Jack townreading Max.



@Max:
I also, to be clear, think there's a good chance NQT may actually be scum. I am even starting to think that NQT could be part of a witch coven that are trying to bat for each other subtly, and since I already think that there is a member of a witch coven who is secretly evil...
I mean… that just sounds like a regular scum team but with witch flavour so… it shouldn’t need any special consideration or anything like that :p
Oh, I was thinking maybe only one of them is scum, so the other witches THINK they are all town and try to defend each other. It was just a wild speculation though.
This evil witch would be Knightwing, correct? There's no chance it could be Vector?

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Orc shooting principals. If you take a lot of shots even with bad aim eventually you'll hit something. I post a lot and say what's on my mind, so there's a lot of chances for my off-the-wall guesses to hit something. I also called the setup having 3 witches back on day 1. Doesn't make me prescient.
You don't take compliments well.

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I've been reading D1, Lenglon was very astute here:
I honestly have zero reasons to dislike an Egan lynch right now, so I kinda see why 4mask rotated to it upon jack's statement, but really, this behavior I'm seeing from Jim/Toony/Vector is really odd. Not scummy, but I really feel like I'm missing a communication channel here. So masons?

I agree with not lynching Max, so I am honestly tempted to follow this weird rapid wagon, but weird is weird, so I'm calling it weird.
Yeah, this looks like Mason Chat.

@Toony: Did you get stuck as Mason Chat liason again? That sucked when you had like 3 chats plus the forum going.

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And by your reactions you are judged.
hector13
And shepherds we shall be.

For Thee, my Lord, for Thee.

Power hath descended forth from Thy hand.

That our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.

So we shall flow a river forth to Thee.

And Teeming with souls shall it ever be.

In Nomine Patris, et Fili, et Spiritus Sancti.

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Not to beat up Jim since I've been Mr. Zero Accuracy this game, but it's interesting to think that if Jim watched Persus instead we would have caught two Evil together with one killing the other. Talk about a blow out.

As there is a possibility that both Hector & I are both town being manipulated into a town-on-town dichotomy, I'll vote No Lynch.

If the No Lynch doesn't gain traction, I'll probably switch back to Hector.
There is no way you're both town. I can't think of how that would even be possible, we're losing if you're both town.

I do want to keep my word to Hector. Sometime tomorrow I'm going to look into Jack's interactions with Max (and Vector) as well as NQT and Hector's interactions with each other. I'm convinced there's at least two Evil working together in this body cutting ritual.

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What changed to make you think Egan’s low effort was a scumtel,l when you initially said it was a towntell and that scum!Egan was more focused and committed to win?
Low effort and disappearing are two different things.  In Jade Court (which you know about, since you subbed in) and other games, scum!Egan disappeared after it looked like they couldn't win as scum.  Hence my REALLY REALLY REALLY needing Egan to respond. Had Egan said "Hi Doods, me not scum", I probably would have NOT voted Egan. In fact, I made sure to let everyone know where my vote was going, JUST IN CASE Egan showed up.
I was 100% going to vote NQT if Egan stopped their res.

If they couldn't stop the res, but continued to post in thread I may have still switched to NQT although I can't guarantee that situation.

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Vector is Masons with Town Doctor Jim.
Wait, are Witch Covens guaranteed to be the same alignment, at least at the start of game?

@MOD:
If a Witch Coven exists how are alignments handled?

In the last Supernatural we had NQT and Persus together and I believe they were both told they're guaranteed to be town at game start, so I wish to believe that is the case here. Jim put Vector as a top town read at the end of D2 so I'm hoping that holds weight not just from Jim's personal read.

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Do you still have a block Jack? It's not lylo so we could no lynch and have Max block NQT and you block Hector or something. This is also a nice precaution because if there's 3 Evil left we are actually in mylo and probably shouldn't be lynching anyway. I could also track someone tomorrow for even more coverage.

Jack I don't like most of your attitude for D2 and D3. You've felt distant. :(

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- The big shadow hanging over me is the half memory of one of the previous Supernaturals where someone claimed benign 3rd party and they were believed right til the end when it turned out they were a serial killer (am I thinking of Bluarian, or one of the other games. Toony should remember.) We have basically three "neutral" or neutral adjacent players, two of whom have lied through their teeth constantly. Previous experience tells me that there's a snowball chance in hell they're all what they claim.
We aren't voting Lenglon/Knightwing/Max.

- The N1 kill is a puzzle a lot of players are getting caught up in. And yeah, I love a puzzle too. But I've also been burned a million times in these role mad games. Especially by Wuba. It'll turn out someone had two actions, a ghost companion that tricked trackers or could summon angels to do their bidding or some batshit thing that we're not anticipating. Let's see who cares about catching scum and who doesn't.
Gonna look into Vector then?

- For these two reasons, I'm parking my vote where my gut has been all game: Max. This guy should have been cleared D1 but you nuts decided to kill Tric for whatever insane Bay12 reasons.
Tric looked a lot like scum to me.

By the way you're the only person left on his town reads, Egan was Good and Persus was Evil, I wonder where you fall?

For his scum reads all three of Jack, Max, and Me are alive. Town!Tric is absolutely never correct on who mafia are (look at Hat Mafia), so that already makes me confident Jack/Max is not a thing like Hector is saying.

- There's an interesting pattern in how the claims fit together, like who falls in with whom. More on this with my charts I guess.
For what it's worth I think the Evil left is either Jack/Vector or NQT/Hector. With me being 80% in the NQT/Hector category.

- My block flavour was like I got caught out and lost track of time, it was pretty vague about whether it was supernatural/natural interference/just poor time management.
This seems like it matches then.

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I am not a witch.
So then...Vector is last Witch?

You're a Wizard Max.
Assuming hector is even telling the truth.

All it takes is one person coming forward saying I’m lying.
Well, you've never predicted a Thief.

In fact, your predictions were after the flips. They were also after some discussion of roles.

My theory is that you only got results for from one night, and have been backfilling info to make it look like you have two nights of results.

It seems obvious to me whom you and I will be voting today, so let's get on with it.

hector13
I'm pretty sure Hector is actually giving us role information due to their own role.

Max isn't saying anything, but we can assume he is a Wizard and that Hector is correct because otherwise Max you should be flipping the fuck out right now if you aren't a Wizard.

Jack, can you please give more of a reason than this?

like hell it is
Dude get out of here.

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My imp betrayed me, I thought we were pals, he even bantered in the flavor text…

Knightwing64
Chin up Knightwing! You never know what could happen!

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I was wondering if the Witches had a Coven chat. I felt like Jim and Vector have been on the same page this game so it makes sense. I guess KW wasn't invited?

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The alternative is Vector performed the kill N1 and is teamed with Toony, and they both performed a kill N2, which is tremendously unfair for town.

Webadict made the game though, so I don’t think he’d make it so unfair for town.
Yeah you could argue I was covering for Vector on N1 and then we both killed on N2, but I don't think even Evil wants to push that.

Speaking of Vector, let's talk about Vector.

If Vector is Evil I highly doubt it's with Hector, this is because Vector would have put both of them in a really awkward spot where they have to kill Persus to do any killing on N1.

What about NQT? Probably not, in fact I think Vector has the scumteam nailed on the head here:
Vector, good job, but why Hector and Persus?

I wanted one person who I was completely fine with dying (was originally Tric but I switched last minute to Persus) and one person who I thought would be appetizing for the scumteam in case we have a watcher (originally Toony but I decided that was too appetizing and I preferred to protect him, switched to Hector).
I can see your reasoning. If that's what happened, then I wonder if someone protected Hector?

This rings my bells as docfishing. NQT.

Another option, of course, is that Hector is scum.

The only player I could reasonably see Evil!Vector with is Jack, but that makes interactions like this very humourous:
Welcome back, Town-Vector!

Fuck off

I'm hopeful that Vector can participate today and give feedback on NQT, Jack, and Hector.

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I am not a witch.
So then...Vector is last Witch?

You're a Wizard Max.

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Let's do some reasoning.

First, some assumptions:

1. Evil!Persus and Good!Jim were killed in the same way, this means the same player or group of players (likely group of players) killed them.
2. I strongly don't believe Lenglon, Knightwing, or Max are Evil. This is because they all behave in a way that feels extremely...alone.

That leaves Jack, Vector, NQT, Hector.

NQT was blocked by Max on N1 and double-blocked by Max/Lenglon on N2, he hasn't been able to do anything. I find him incredibly suspicious and think he's Evil with whoever killed Persus and Jim, but I really really want to figure out the Persus/Jim killer.

That leaves Jack, Vector, and Hector.

Vector didn't kill Persus on N1, I can confirm this.

That leaves Jack and Hector.

Jack maaaaybe could have killed Persus while stealing Max's roleblock, but I don't know. Hector killing Persus while getting simple Sage results sounds more believable to me.

I think there has to be one (and only one) mafia inside Jack/Hector.

PPE:
@Lenglon: it’s pretty obvious (to me, anyway) that the team is Jack and Max at this point. Jack’s N1 action was only corroborated by Max, arguably given a bit more strength by having “stole” a mafiakill blocking ability from Max that he would’ve known about from being in a team.
I'll take this into serious consideration. I'm going to look into Jack and Max's interactions on D1.

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