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#35 - KW says good morning.

A lot of people liked this post, like Jim. I think it's neutral.

#39 - Says their role is pretty shitty.

I would agree after seeing their claim.

#82 - Doesn't really have much to say. "My role is useless other then proving my innocence to other players, so, I’m kinda a non factor. I’m not of high importance, unless having a confirmed townie is awesome"

I think this is a townie post.

#135 - Starts prodding FoU.

I find this post odd. Maybe it's because KW is actually trying to do something.

Later on at the start of Day 2 KW would start accusing Jim of being mafia or third-party, it feels unnatural.

There's really not that much here.

VERDICT: WHO THE FUCK KNOWS, LET'S SAY TOWN

#36 - NJW asks Hector, Jim, and Toony some questions.

The questions are fine. I'm interested that he asks Jim how he's going to handle Knightwing in this game.

#48 - Doesn't like Hector talking about third-parties.

#62 - Speculates that the setup may be a mafia + mally with possibly a third-party. Conspiracy theories that Hector is third-party or mally based on their posts so far.

I don't really see Hector as third-party here.

#65 - Is suspicious of Hector for leaping to conclusions about the number of scum members. Finds it odd that Hector thinks mafia are solo.

I don't understand why NJW finds Hector suspicious here when they just speculated that the setup may be solo mafia as well.

#68 - Votes TricMagic for lying about their role, although it's soon clarified this was just an honest mistake.

#79 - Doesn't trust Tric, but might be okay with letting Tric use their magnet tonight provided we can trust Toony.

Actually sensible point from NJW.

#81 - NJW's infamous conspiracy theory post about FoU and Hector. They also ask Toony if this looks like FoU trying to secretly communicate with them when Web was mally.

NJW is accusing FoU of being a mally here. I actually agreed with them after re-reading FoU's first post.

#91 - Backs off of Tric when Toony says no.

#117 - Reads. Knightwing town. Jim probably town. Tric third-party. Can't read Max or Toony. Thinks Hector and FoU are scum. Votes FoU for basically not having done anything yet.

#124 - In response to Hector's defense of FoU: "Oh, I'm not certain about the mally thing, I made that pretty clear. I'm going after FoU because they look like scum."

Hrrrrrmmmmmmmm. Bad.

#131 - "Also for me, a bit of POE, I guess... Mostly sure of Jim and Knightwing, and don't want to elim Hector just yet because some stuff he said has town energy. Possibly Max and Toony are scum wagoning on some weird garden path I've wandered down, but that would probably look as bad for them as for me, if not worse?"

It sure would be bad if Toony and Max both had confirmable actions on N1 and thus would be difficult players to get votes on D2.

VERDICT: PROBABLY MAFIA

#38 - Suspiciously asks Tric what kind of third-party they are, because it would be weird if this setup was 2 mafia with him in it. Also says they're most comfortable reading FoU and least comfortable reading Max.

This statement follows true when they defend FoU later in the day as being town.

#43 - Doesn't like Tric still. Also says: "It seems more likely to me that there’s one scum, and Tric is able to be recruited by them, possibly also by town to maybe kinda sorta balance it out?"

I agree with this quote, although it's later clarified that Tric would just leave the game on winning.

I also think this post is from a town POV.

#51 - Hector softclaims their ability isn't very good. Also continues theorizing about the setup, such as maybe the mafia have a recruit for Tric the same way Toony has a recruit.

This is true in their claim later and looks natural.

I think if mafia have a recruit as well that heavily implies there's just one mafia.

#63 - Is suspicious that Tric claims the global attract after Toony claims the random psych. "Euch. If anything I suppose it makes you more suspicious if you’re still alive on D2. Probably. *sigh*" Keeps talking about third-parties with NJW.

It's true.

#69 - More back-and-forth with NJW. Wants a good idea of how many scum players there are.

I think this is reasonable.

#75 - Willing to give Tric the benefit of the doubt. Says that town are guaranteed not to be killed N1 if Tric uses their global attract too.

#80 - Claims they'll get information that isn't about Tric.

This didn't happen. Tric global attracted Hector to them just like everybody else, what gives?

#83 - Gets really defensive when NJW accuses FoU of trying to communicate with Hector. "I mean you seem hyper-focused on this mafia and mafia ally thing. Why are we to think you’re not telegraphing that you’re the ally to your scum team?"

I don't really like this post.

#105 - Defends FoU more citing past experience with them. Is disinclined to think FoU is scum. Is leaning towards NJW and maybe Jim as scum.

This post is better.

#114 - Votes NJW after talking with Max.

I think this is a pretty natural progression.

#121 - Large defense of FoU. Looks genuinely angry at NJW over the course of the game so far.

This is a very good post. Good town. Hector is correct that NJW's argument relies on the fact that FoU would be a mally, not mafia. I feel bad about keeping my vote on FoU honestly after they started posting more.

#134 - Continues to defend FoU from NJW. "FoU is actually inviting pressure by asking players to vote for him if they have a strong case, otherwise it is hugely suspicious, because building a strong case and only inviting others to take it up is really bad, as is the other side of that coin, voting someone for poor reasoning. Sure, voting people for voting you is no bueno, but examining cases against you for strengths and weaknesses is fine, and half the town is currently on his wagon."

VERDICT: VERY TOWN

#41 - "I win once I'm befriended. After which I'll work towards the goals of the one to befriend me."

I don't know why Tric says this because it's later clarified by NQT (#73) that he would just leave the game upon winning.

We have two players that can befriend Tric: Knightwing and Jim. I think this is reasonable evidence that if there's mafia inside them then it's probably only one of them. I actually think it's more likely to be Jim here, but Jim wouldn't be with NJW. Knightwing would be with NJW here. I think Jim is always the pick here if NJW is town.

I need to think about Jim more as I make this post.

VERDICT: TOWN (thanks to me)

#46 - Max is happy with their role. Says there's one thing in their role they should probably share.

This lines up with their future claim. It is a good role, and they do share shortly after that their flip will be random.

I think this post is pretty town.

#53 - Agrees with Toony that Knightwing and Hector are town. Doesn't believe Tric. Tells FoU their flip will be completely fake.

#61 - "I'm more than happy to let Tric sit for now, anyway, since, if he's telling the truth, he probably dies n1 by attracting the kill. That is what you mean, right, Tric?"

This is exactly what happened.

#79 - Doesn't like the plan of Tric using their global attract and Toony converting them. "To make a long story short, following it makes n1 a wash for everyone else, since nobody can get any information that ISN'T about Tric, and it still probably ends in his death unless the mafia can either get around it or inexplicably decide not to kill him. Is essentially wasting a night just for that worth it? To me, the answer is obviously no."

I disagree. Plus Max weren't you able to quest on N1 anyway? You got goodies while the rest of town wasn't able to do much besides me.

#85 - "Knightwing is town." Could buy that Fallacy or Hector are scum, but doesn't think FoU can be that subtle with the "10-4" thing.

#104 - Thinks Jim seems pretty town after their opening posts. Thinks FoU is the correct lynch currently, but doesn't buy the signalling hypothesis. Is still suspicious of NJW.

#109 - Max argues with Hector that FoU may really be a mally. Although they're not happy with NJW still, but they have to pick one or the other.

#120 - Isn't sure about Toony. Is more or less onboard with the FoU lynch but doesn't want to vote after Armed Forces.

#127 - Sort of reluctantly votes FoU.

I don't really like Max's D1 play here, but I don't see how they could be Tric's killer. I don't think they killed Tric.

VERDICT: TOWN?

#50 - Tells Max they should claim any kind of roleflip alteration or global effect immediately.

I feel like this is good evidence that FoU had no roleflip alteration of their own if they're telling Max they should speak up about it.

#100 - Agrees with Toony that Jim is town.

#110 - Thinks it's hilarious players would even consider the idea that they were signaling. "In any case, I think my strategy for the time being will be to try and figure out which players were most opportunistic about using my behavior as a reason to vote. The players most eager to either bandwagon and avoid suspicion and/or take the easiest available case, that is to say."

This is a pretty town post, especially since they do follow up after.

#129 - Doesn't like Max's vote on them and votes Max for it.

I think I agree with FoU. Max's vote was pretty weak.

#141 - Big reads post from FoU.

Fallacy doesn't make this post if they want to die.

#151 - FoU makes a case against NJW.

Fallacy doesn't make this post if they are willing to die.

#156 - FoU makes a case against Toony while voting them. Really wants Toony over NJW. Refuses to claim.

I don't believe a mafia or even mally FoU would dogmatically try to get me executed here. They're being really really stubborn.

VERDICT: TOWN

#95 - First actual post from Jim. Reads Knightwing as town just from their first "Good morning" post. Is surprised they agree with NJW for once about Hector worrying too much about third-parties.

Kind of weird since NJW was talking just as much about third-parties as Hector.

#97 - Claims their only action is a super befriendist for anyone who targets NJW. They will be doing this action every night they are able to.

I get strong town reads from this post. Plus the befriend ability means they 75% of the time tell whoever targets NJW their alignment right? That would be quite bad if they told someone they're mafia. The way they said "This is my only action so I will be doing this every night I am able." really feels like that's what they'll be doing, as opposed to like mafiakilling or something.

Does a super befriendist mean it can't be redirected or blocked?

#103 - Thinks Knightwing is town. Doesn't like Hector talking about TPs. Also finds FoU's first post odd. "Feeling okay about Knightwing64, I believe TricMagic, ToonyMan feels okay, Maximum Spin feels okay, NJW2000 also feels okay somehow. hector13 and FallacyofUrist don't feel as okay but I'm not confident in labeling hector13 scum. I think in this scenario I'm most okay with FallacyofUrist at the current moment."

#128 - Thinks Hector leans town for defending FoU passionately. "I think this leaves me with NJW2000 and FoU as my choices. I know I said last night I was okay with NJW2000. He gets to live with the consequences of pushing absolute bullshit meritless cases while being scum and now gets to suffer through me wondering whether any weakness in any case he pushes or presents is malicious or not."

I think this is a town post.

Jim could have killed Tric. I think they would have to be mafia with Max though, but it doesn't really make sense to me.

I don't really feel like they're hiding anything.

VERDICT: TOWN?