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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 4 - Day 2 - Lost Friends
« on: September 08, 2022, 10:30:11 am »
Toony: Right... sorry, not too sharp in the mornings, was confusing befriends and conversions. So you converted Tric, he presumably used the attract?

Huh... and he didn't leave the game. If befriends happening before kills and conversions, Knightwing looks VERY bad here. I'll look into that.

I'm not going to theorise about bastard flips that much here, it's an edge case, but not one with much explanatory power just yet.



Knightwing: why not someone with more sway over town? Tric doesn't usually persuade people, you must have seen that by now.
I don't believe FoU's flip is fake. I don't agree with their behavior (or coloring players weird), but their stubbornness looks like annoyed town on a reread and their reads list feels genuine. I'm disappointed but also confident they were town.

I think it's pretty simple what happened here.

Tric attracted every player.
Knightwing befriended Tric.
I converted Tric to town.
Mafia tried to kill a player, it got redirected to Tric.
Tric doesn't win as TP because wincons aren't checked until after conversions apparently.

I think KW is telling the truth about their action here.

I'm mildly suspicious that KW and Jim both have befriender abilities, but it's not strong reasoning.

I have no idea what's going on with Max and the prize Jim got.

NJW continues to spew paranoia.

How many mafia are left? Two mafia means we're already mylo, but that feels wrong. I feel like this has to be a one mafia setup with probably a second third-party.

1802
Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 4 - Day 2 - Lost Friends
« on: September 08, 2022, 05:38:26 am »
Oh.


Sry.

Also, wdym is that All I got, I thought that was a smart and reasonable accusation to make of Jim?
It's possible but I'm not convinced.

Can you give thoughts on each player?

1803
Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 4 - Day 2 - Lost Friends
« on: September 08, 2022, 05:13:40 am »
( posting then reading peoples posts, of course Tric, the one I tried to befriend would die 0.0)


Ah, Jim. That’s no good you know? Staying mostly silent and then hammering somebody who turns out to be town?

That’s not a good look.

How that I think about it, Fallacy did say to be wary of people who were against him but didn’t vote him, which fits you perfectly til l the last second.

Add that to being uncharacteristically silent, and I believe you to be mafia or a third party, both of which we can’t have around.

:|

Is that the best you got?

There are potential bastard flips in this game. At least one actual one, if Max is to be believed.

FoU wanted to die.

Anyone else seeing what I'm seeing?



Bare-bones night stuff:

Tric's alignment changed. Tric was befriended either by Jim or Knightwing.

Knightwing claims to have befriended Tric. Jim promised to do the weird thing that would 75% of the time result in him befriending Tric, provided Tric targeted me, which he probably did... I think I was disabled.

Weirdness here. Why the kill on Tric? Did Tric use the attract instead? Overdetermination?

Jim confirms Max's night action. Both claim Jim now has a powerful ability.



Knightwing. Why did you befriend the player that would leave the game once they were befriended? You could have actually confirmed your alignment with someone. Why didn't you?

:|

In the same post you theorize that FoU's flip was a bastard flip while also saying Tric's alignment changed from being befriended when he would just leave the game as third-party instead.

You have to argue that he ALSO had a possible bastard flip or that someone converted him to town.

In addition, mafia don't kill Tric here ever. He very likely used his global attract he was gushing about.

1804
Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 4 - Day 2 - Lost Friends
« on: September 08, 2022, 01:04:43 am »
I didn't receive anything last night. Tric almost certainly used their global attract so it's likely they got your gift Max?
I don't think so. It happened automatically at the very beginning of the day, because of my action last night. I didn't find out about it until the end of the night, and it was not expected.
Oh okay, I understand. Yes whoever got this prize then please claim.

1805
Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 4 - Day 2 - Lost Friends
« on: September 08, 2022, 01:03:07 am »
It's really late for me so I'll have more to say tomorrow after some sleep...

1806
Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 4 - Day 2 - Lost Friends
« on: September 08, 2022, 12:59:28 am »
I didn't receive anything last night. Tric almost certainly used their global attract so it's likely they got your gift Max?

Tric also seems to have been converted by me before eating the mafiakill. Your sacrifice will not be in vain Tric. I promise to try my best so you can win with town.

1807
Then die. I will be voting you after I'm done posting tonight.

I want to be an amicable person. I don't want to miss anything. If you have no desire to cooperate on death's door then you have something to hide and are scum. Please understand this concept.
Until the very last minute, votes can change. I fully believe my fullclaim will not make any difference in who votes me and who doesn't vote me. I will not claim. It benefits scum more than it does town, in this circumstance, which will be demonstrably visible once I claim it Day 2.
Good luck then.

FallacyofUrist

I'm doubtful now that the conversion actually exists.
Hey, at least I claimed having one.

I wasn't going to claim having the psych right away, but I wanted to back up why I felt Tric was telling the truth. Does that sound like a natural thought process? Because it is. If you're still alive to respond to this post I want you to apologize for your behavior and fucking claim and cooperate instead of crossing your arms and going "hmpf, I've got my secrets" while ONE TRIGGER FINGER FROM DYING.

1808
Ambiance



words
This post makes Hector very town to me if FoU is town. It's like Lidku defending Knightwing in Armed Forces.

Oh, I'm not certain about the mally thing, I made that pretty clear. I'm going after FoU because they look like scum.
At this point I'm starting to believe FoU is trying to get themselves lynched so that mafia isn't.

Ugggggh, FallacyofUrist. I blame you if we're wrong.
I would normally say it's pretty scummy to go "uuugh okay I'll vote this person", but I think you've done this before as town.

There is merit in the arguments against him (E.G., FoU has townread maybe two players and hasn't scumread anybody yet) but hector13 planted a seed of doubt in my mind and it's making me doubt that lynching FallacyofUrist catches scum here.

Somebody convince me.
It's harder for me to convince you when FoU is figuratively writing "KILL ME" on their forehead so far.

I think their vote on Max could have been convincing if they didn't drop it.

Spoiler: Unrelated (click to show/hide)

Jim Groovester
Maximum Spin
What the fuck is this FoU? Why are you coloring people's names weird? This is 100% intentional and you're being a troll.

I appreciate the reads list otherwise.

You won't have a night action to confirm when you're dead.
Full
claim
FoU
Nah.
You're assuming I'll be dead, which I won't be. I have full confidence in my ability to get you executed. You have nothing.
I will full claim Day 2.
Toony is acting like he has a case, when in truth either he doesn't, or he's copying NJW's case without saying he's copying NJW's case and trying to look like he considers him a possible scum target without ever justifying that.
It is so shifty.
Bite me. I fully support NJW's case and agree with it more than anything you've said.

FoU, you're in a unique position as the only player with extreme heat this day. Nobody else has felt L-1 pressure and I've think you've failed spectacularly in every way. If you're town you're a failure as town. I'm not supporting a vote on me. I could reasonably support a vote for NJW. I could maybe even support a vote for Max or Hector, but I am in fact content with your vote currently because:

1. After NJW pointed it out, I don't like your first post.
2. I didn't like your responses to my questions afterwards.
3. I agree with NJW's case on you.

I believe you are correct that there is at least one scum inside Toony/Max/NJW if you are town. Please help me find them if you're town instead of closing yourself off to me like an idiot. Get it together.



Scenarios:

1. FoU is mally:

They probably are just trying to draw the lynch at this point and obfuscate as much as possible. This could be why they aren't claiming and are coloring people's names strangely even after being under scrutiny.
They shouldn't know who the mafia is normally so I think trying to learn the mafia off of them is probably pointless.
NJW is likely town as it's insanely ballsy to figure out who your mally is and then just out them.
Hector is probably town.
Tric is a third-party befriender.
I think anyone else could be mafia still.
If they out themselves I could try to convert them to town. I'm up to do that.

2. FoU is mafia:

They don't want to claim because it reveals their ability and they can't come up with a convincing lie.
NJW's case is weaker, their first post makes less sense as mafia but I still agree it's scummy.
NJW is town or insanely ballsy to out and bus their partner...yeah definitely town here.
Jim is probably town.
Knightwing is probably town.
Tric is third-party befriender.
Max or Hector is probably mafia here if the game continues.

3. FoU is town:

They aren't claiming because of some fundamental difference in opinion, frustrating.
Hector seems really town here.
Jim seems really town.
Knightwing is probably town.
Tric is still third-party befriender here.
Mafia are probably inside Max/NJW.

1809
... Max, if Fal somehow survives to end of day and Toony dies and flips town, I'm hitting Fal tonight. Please send a friend request.
Jim targets whoever targets NJW. There's a 75% chance Jim befriends whoever targets NJW and a 25% chance they get infected and die the following day or something. I wouldn't worry about being possibly infected as if I'm able to convert you then you'll still win with town.

1810
You won't have a night action to confirm when you're dead.

Full

claim

FoU
Nah.
Then die. I will be voting you after I'm done posting tonight.

I want to be an amicable person. I don't want to miss anything. If you have no desire to cooperate on death's door then you have something to hide and are scum. Please understand this concept.

1811
Some musing in the meantime:

One of the reasons I like NJW over FoU is because I agree with NJW's assertions that Knightwing and Jim feel town while Hector has a "town energy" to him. I can feel exactly what he means when he says that, like resonance you know? That doesn't mean we're right, but if we're having a similar mindset then maybe we're the same alignment too.

NJW also backed down when I defend Tric from him. I don't think that marks NJW as town, but it shows he's willing to believe in Tric and to some extent me and Jim since we both have ways to deal with Tric tonight.

It's less clear with Max, NJW seems to be keeping in the back of his mind that me or Max could be playing him, and that's a justifiable paranoia.

1812
You won't have a night action to confirm when you're dead.

Full

claim

FoU

1813
FoU, full role-claim if you haven't yet.

1814
Don't see my unvote as an act of mercy. I still extremely want to vote you today Fallacy for being scummy. I'm mainly unvoting so I can read the thread and get a word in without quicky mcgee dropping hammer.

I'll gladly hammer you with confidence.

1815
I've made my intentions clear I want to vote you or NJW today.

Also point of advice, pointing out my human nature only makes me stronger.

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