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Hmm… FoU does pull off some weird shit sometimes, claiming TP being an example, then throwing in his lot with the mafia…

But nah, nah, nah, even in this case if he was trying to signal like that, expecting me to pull up that post or something similar, he’d still only be the ally, not the scum. It wouldn’t be ideal having the ally around, but if we find the scum it wouldn’t matter, he’d still lose even if he’s still alive I’m pretty sure.

I still don’t think he’s scum scum, aye? It’s a power heavy game, he can be dealt with if he is a mally, probably.

PPE: you are correct, money where your mouth is.

NJW

A mally!FoU majorly fucked up if NJW is mafia. You're voting NJW because you think they're mafia right?

Even if FoU is only mally that's still strong, as it's unlikely I can get to them before dying.

To see their reaction? Why else would I do it?

You could argue such odd phrases are signaling. It lines up too well, your playful prodding of Hector looks like signaling. I don't believe you buddying up with Hector makes Hector mafia, but I don't like your behavior there.

I want to vote you or NJW today.

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You two think I'm crafty enough for that? I'm either insane or blunt, with no in-between.

But to give a more reasonable objecting point, if you think I'm doing some weird shit with hector, you have to look at both of our behavior patterns, not just mine.

Why ask someone how paranoid they'll be ten minutes from now? Does that sound like a natural question?

Unless I'm stupid my role has very narrow utility. I'm a super befriendist and I can feed everyone who targets NJW2000, which has a 75%/25% chance of me befriending or infecting the target.

So if TricMagic is telling the truth, he can target NJW2000, and I will either befriend him, allowing him to win and therefore leave the game, or I infect him and he dies at the end of the next night, which also solves his slot.

This is my only action so I will be doing this every night I am able.

Jim is town.

Knightwing is town.

I think I agree.

TricMagic.

No. Maybe instead vote Jim for being evil and lazy?

Quote from: hector13 on September 05, 2022, 01:48:08 pm

It’s this kind of thing that makes Max hard to read for me. They know Tric puts a lot of stock in their role, to the point of that sometimes overriding their alignment (webadict’s game in which Tric was town and had their role modified by collecting hats, in which collecting these hats was all Tric was interested in) so I don’t know how they think Tric’s claim is so unbelievable.

Of course I know that Tric is "MY ROLE MY ROLE MY SPECIAL ROLE". But he's shown this capacity to lie before, and I tend to find it suspicious when he comes out in the first couple of posts with something overly convenient. It seems like town Tric usually likes to string you along a little first, like he did with the fairy godfather ability. That said, I guess Tric isn't claiming to be town, here, so maybe I'm just not as familiar with "third-party Tric" and confusing it with "lying Tric".

Tric isn't lying. He is third-party and wins if befriended (though this becomes moot if I town-ify them).

Arguing otherwise is dumb. If Tric chooses to use their magnet ability and soaks the mafiakill, then great, but if they decide not to do that I still have a random chance of converting them to town or possibly even some malicious other third-parties that would choose to stay quiet instead, like NJW keeps going MAFIA-ALLY MAFIA-ALLY MAFIA-ALLY. I could also get rid of those, randomly. It's great.

At the moment my magnet is the only way to get hit by Toony's conversion effect. Or get befriended if someone wants to do that. Not sure how resolution would work, but if you don't launch me I'll use my attract tonight. If Toony converts me to town, then my wincon becomes towns. If I get befriended, I end up leaving the game. Either way, not much else I can do given my gambit ran into hard facts I didn't know.

It's up to you whether you think it's worth doing. I will be trying to convert someone tonight either way.

Ok, this has nothing to do with the matter at hand, but either I have full on pareidolia or there is something weird happening between FoU and Hector. I may just be spinning my wheels because the Tric thing wasn't that interesting.

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Quote from: FallacyofUrist on September 05, 2022, 12:08:26 pm

Quote from: hector13 on September 05, 2022, 11:23:29 am

Toony you’re not making my naked paranoia any better with claims like that.

How paranoid will you be ten minutes from now?

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Quote from: hector13 on September 05, 2022, 11:22:18 am

The more I think about this the less I like it.

There are 8 players, with at least one scum and now a claimed third party. As I’ve said, it would seem excessive to have 2 scum and a third party, leaving 5 townies. This TP claims to be recruitable and it seems vanishingly unlikely that scum would not be able to recruit them, else what’s the point of them being recruitable?

It seems more likely to me that there’s one scum, and Tric is able to be recruited by them, possibly also by town to maybe kinda sorta balance it out?

Why would a player stay in the game if they’ve already won, too?

I hate third parties, god damn.

Quite messy, ain't it? Still mad about Busdriver all the way back in Mafiakart Racing - how many years ago was that, now?

The answer is four. And sure, there was a third party there that stayed in the game for some reason, I think... but still:

10-4. "OK."

Toony, you remember Web trying to secretly communicate with you as a mafia-ally. Does this look anything like that?

I'll be honest. I was going to joke about you being crazy paranoid and shit, but the way FoU made that post is incredibly odd. The only problem is that mafia-ally aren't told who the mafia are, right? So FoU replying to Hector here isn't a strong connection.

My role is useless other then proving my innocence to other players, so, I’m kinda a non factor. I’m not of high importance, unless having a confirmed townie is awesome

Confirmed townie doesn't sound very shit to me Knightwing.

Quote from: ToonyMan on September 05, 2022, 12:44:38 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on September 05, 2022, 12:37:09 pm

I don't think I believe TricMagic here, but I can't articulate why exactly. I believe he probably INSPECTS as a third party, though.

Do you believe NQT would let me have a psych ability in a setup with no third-party?

Yes.

Do you read Tric as scum then? I don't believe this is mafia!Tric at all. I can't understand half of what he's saying.

I don't think we ever vote Tric here, and I'm the guy who wants to murder players for claiming third-party.

That aside... how's everyone doing? This December, I'll have been playing and running games here for a whole decade. Some of you have been at it even longer. While the playerbase has grown smaller from its earlier heights, it's nice that we still have a regular stream of activity.

I joined my first game (Pirate Mafia 2) when I was a sophomore in high school:

I would like to be number 15.  If it isn't too late.

This was back when I was taught to double space between sentences...

Jump to present and I'm over two years into my full-time career job and have a bachelor and master's degree. I wasn't playing mafia for most of the master degree as I had stopped playing mafia the semester before I completed undergrad, but this game is timeless and I don't think I'll ever want to stop playing for real.

EDIT:
I can't really remember, but I think I joined my first game because I had just finished the first Ace Attorney and that got me interested in playing mafia/werewolf.