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We increase our chances of not getting duped by a hidden mafia ability if we vote off NQT or 4mask, so that's safer in that sense. On the other hand, if we're being tricked by a mafia team that doesn't contain NQT and 4mask then we doom ourselves. The only thing I can think of would be Roden/Tric but I really don't believe that's true. And I think Max is always town here.

Basically I don't believe Roden and NQT can be the same alignment and it comes down to which one we believe more.

It's going to be embarrassing for town no matter what happens.

@NQT:
Instead of giving an overview of every possible combination (which I don't find very helpful) you could instead look through the game thread and argue why Tric and Roden are the mafia since, you know, you're voting them.

I don't have much for D1 except finding 4mask suspicious the entire day. If I'm right then he was mafia with Knightwing64 who didn't do anything during D1, which of course made things more difficult.

D2 is much the same story: I found NQT extremely suspicious as soon as they started posting on D2. It basically just came to my paranoia of 4mask/Jim or Jack/Tric that screwed up D2 as both NQT and 4mask were on the chopping block at the end of D2.

NQT and 4mask

4mask shoots Jim in a unforced error instead of the doctor, then NQT revives from being shot without creating a revived message. This is tactically unlikely and mechanically impossible.

Hah!

I already mentioned this, but how could Roden have shot Jim if town!Toony confirms Roden made a shot and 4mask claims to have been hypnotised. Makes no sense

I don't know if Roden actually shot. I can only confirm I copied him last night and successfuly performed an action that doesn't give back results. So Roden did something that doesn't give back results, like vigging. I claimed my second action last because I wanted Roden to claim without knowing what I did.

You keep saying 4mask would kill Tric and not Jim, but you need to remember that as far as mafia knew I was likely going to bus drive Tric with someone else on N2 as it was made clear here. It would be suicide to try to kill Tric as my top suspects were 4mask and NQT.

NQT, NQT, NQT.

You've stated you're extremely suspicious of Roden being a mafia vig. You know yourself from your "track" results that 4mask killed Jim and that scum was involved in some way. You heavily suspect Tric is the one that made 4mask kill Jim, yes?

Then what did Roden do last night? There was no second kill and mafia!Roden always fires, let alone town!Roden. This would allow Roden to "confirm" he's town if another townie were to die, and it gets another townie dead.

Mind you, I copied Roden last night as a Priority 0 ability so if Roden did something else this would also be getting applied to 4mask.

I copied Roden last night and targeted 4mask to hopefully ensure 4mask would flip. If Roden did something else like inspect or track I would also get the results of that. When I copied Roden last night I didn't receive anything except that my action worked.

NQT or Roden is mafia, but not both.

If a 4mask/NQT team wants to win this, they need to argue that Roden was the one that made 4mask kill Jim, unfortunately in their planning last night they decided to scapegoat Tric, which doesn't work.

NQT claims they tracked 4mask when they really should have tracked Roden instead. This isn't because of a lapse of judgement, but because they needed to back up 4mask's claim that they were unwillingly hypnotised. Notice how NQT needed to talk about there being an "evil presence".

The weird part is, why did mafia not kill Roden? Roden was going to shoot 4mask or NQT for sure, but they let Roden live to kill Jim? Is this why NQT didn't die either?

Max is always town. You have to argue it's Roden/Tric or 4mask/NQT.

I have more reason to believe Roden and Tric.

Look at just today, Roden is claiming a shot that didn't kill and Tric is making Phoenix Wright posts about how I'm a liar and mafia. Meanwhile 4mask and NQT came in smooth as clockwork with their claims and cases. Total chaos vs total order.

The Facts

EoD1 Vote Count:
Vector - 3 - Jim Groovester, 4maskwolf, Maximum Spin
Jim Groovester - 2 - Vector
ToonyMan - 2 - TricMagic, EuchreJack
4maskwolf - 1 - ToonyMan
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden
Roden - 1 - Knightwing64

Note: Roden and Tric tried to switch to Max but missed the deadline.
Note2: Knightwing64 was replaced by notquitethere.


EoD2 Vote Count:
EuchreJack - 4 - 4maskwolf, notquitethere, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan
4maskwolf - 2 - Maximum Spin, TricMagic
notquitethere - 1 - Roden
ToonyMan - 1 - EuchreJack


Confirmed Actions:

Night 1
Jack - saw Max visit Toony
Jim - redirected all actions from themselves to 4mask
Jim - watched 4mask, saw Toony visit (actually saw me visit Tric because I bus swapped 4mask and Tric, but you'd have to believe me there)
Jim - received an item from 4mask
Tric died and resurrected

Night 2
nothing

Everyone

I think I'm the only player that has tried to actually account fully for what happened and build some team possibilities. Who do you all think are scum and how?

These are the only teams that I can believe exist at this point in time:

4mask/NQT
4mask/Jim
Jack/Max

Tric and Roden are always town.

This is why I can't resist voting 4mask.