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I think Max is building to a case on Jim by considering all the claimed Millers as suspects.
It is a very Cop thing to do.

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We are not voting a miller today.

If 4mask is a whiff I feel like NQT will whiff just as easily. It's basically the same argument. If both are town then I believe the mafia have to be Jack/Max, but they're being pretty high brain about it.

One of the reasons I don't believe this is because 4mask has shown no real desire to push cases on D2, when this was something he did multiple times on D1. This lack of drive could be due to personal reasons, but also maybe because mafia have no options and there's no point. Something that NQT has tried to alleviate.

If I'm a godfather then half the players in this game give bad results to our cop which is pretty twisted.

@Jack:
Because town!4mask is the only one that could have seen the real you.

That previous post was directed at Jim.

Also if Roden is mafia it's not with NQT or he'd want to vote 4mask instead here. Don't really need to mind game anything there.

Quote from: ToonyMan on March 29, 2022, 05:22:19 pm

@Webadict:
If a one-shot is used, but the action fails, does the one-shot still become spent? What are the cases here?

Typically, no, but that's ignoring all edge cases. I'd require more specific information to answer anything else.

Does a one-shot get spent if the player is role-blocked?

Does a one-shot get spent if the action fails on the target? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on a bulletproof player.

Does a one-shot get spent if the action succeeds, but because of outside forces the end result doesn't occur? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on someone, but another player made getting killed impossible for that night.

I can't believe people are taking Roden's claim at face value.

Roden gives up his abilities to whoever kills him, whether it's via hammer or getting killed.

He also has a one-shot vig.

Is Roden mafia if these facts are true? Almost certainly not.

1. As a town role, this is a role that the mafia want to kill Roden for so they can have access to his one-shot vig and get an extra kill. If Roden got lynched on D1 there wouldn't even be anything Roden could do about it.
2. As a mafia role, this is a role that...gives mafia extra power and one that they'd want to spend as soon as possible so that town didn't accidently get it.

Mafia!Roden would have fired on N1, as there's no telling what will happen and it's better to get the 2 kills now and not risk a town player getting a vig shot if they hammer Roden, among other things. Just because Tric used their ability to prevent deaths doesn't mean the one-shot wouldn't get wasted, I think. Roden wouldn't be able to vig again if they blew their one-shot last night, which they clearly didn't based on their behavior. This means Roden still has his one-shot vig and didn't use it on N1.

@Webadict:
If a one-shot is used, but the action fails, does the one-shot still become spent? What are the cases here?

To note: I believe strongly that 4mask tried to kill someone last night, they used their other action to give Jim the Vector item. This could be because 4mask is partners with Jim, although I much prefer 4mask's demise first in any case.

You could just as well speculate that Jack is partners with Max, and Jack tried to kill last night. I think the only players that were likely killers last night would be 4mask or Jack. However, I believe 4mask being mafia fits better than Jack being mafia. If we lynched 4mask this would make things simple, because Roden could shoot Jack if 4mask is town, but Jim doesn't want simple.

Roden, I strongly encourage shooting 4mask tonight if we're not voting them off. I think they're the best vig shot by a mile, who else does Roden shoot if we lynch NQT?

4mask, who does Roden shoot if you flip town? Jack still?